Speaking as a pinko leftie of many years' standing

and as an ex-citizen of Gibraltar, it is a complex issue. The difficulty I have is that it's no longer used so much as a military base as a tax avoidance zone, which personally I find quite wrong. There is also a fairly lively drug smuggling route from Morocco.

Gibrtarians see themselves as Gibraltarian, I think, which might go back a generation to the days of Franco when they were quite ruthlessly isolated but also had a lot more freedom than neighbours across the border.

Posted By: APB on August 6th 2013 at 16:45:22

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Spain. Gibraltar. Ceuta. Discuss. (General Chat) - Old Man, Aug 6, 16:09:39
- Good discussion. Thank you. Carry on. (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Aug 6, 17:01:39
- Speaking as a pinko leftie of many years' standing (General Chat) - APB, Aug 6, 16:45:22
  - I really like the metal band BREED77 who are Gibraltan. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Aug 6, 16:54:48
    - ^^^ I understand that this does not move the debate on much, if at all. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Aug 6, 17:14:41
- Fact - Gibraltar is recognised by the UN as an independent colony.... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:37:15
  - that's because Ceuta and Melilla aren't colonies (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Aug 6, 17:09:19
- Let the Gibraltans decide whether they want to be British or Spanish, but... (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Aug 6, 16:30:04
  - oh do f*** off (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 6, 16:35:48
- Been there many times during my RN service - Spain has been... (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:17:22
  - we could buy spain, it must be dirt cheap now (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 6, 16:21:49
  - Or we just man up and hand it back (n/m) (General Chat) - ChengdeCanary, Aug 6, 16:20:38
    - Why - if the people who live there want to remain British? (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:21:56
      - Because its pathetic (n/m) (General Chat) - ChengdeCanary, Aug 6, 16:27:51
      - fuck them. it's an anachronism. Why should we continue pissing off Spain for the sake (General Chat) - Ian In Holland, Aug 6, 16:25:55
        
        It tends to be the worst kind of jingoistic little englanders that live there (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Aug 6, 16:34:10
        
        "jingoistic little englanders"..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 6, 17:23:35
        
        Agree, they should decide which country they want to be part of (if any) (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Aug 6, 17:27:55
        
        i agree with you on the tax..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Aug 6, 17:41:26
        
        That sounds a sensible position to take (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Aug 6, 17:49:58
        
        totally agree (General Chat) - Ian In Holland, Aug 6, 16:38:17
        
        Gibraltarians very often speak both fluently. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 6, 16:51:44
        
        You and mecagoenti - just part timers, go and take your purile abuse (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:42:41
        
        Majority of the 'Gibraltans' do not actually have British ancestors anyway (General Chat) - ChengdeCanary, Aug 6, 16:38:03
        
        You've obviously never been to Ceuta or Melilla where exactly the same thing happens! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:35:51
- Did I read that some cognitively challenged UKIP bellend said we should send a frigate? (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Aug 6, 16:16:26
  - What frigate, we don't have any spare ones these days! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:22:51
- Give it back to them (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 6, 16:13:57
  - Naive and misguided! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:18:19
    - says mr colonial the loyal royalist (General Chat) - Ian In Holland, Aug 6, 16:27:15
      - So speaks the spokesperson for the wrath pinko lefty faction - tosser! (n/m) (General Chat) - Kirrie, Aug 6, 16:34:50
        
        *lefty (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Aug 6, 16:38:17
        
        Oi! Do one. I'm proudly of the wroth pinko faction, and that twat doesn't speak for me. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Aug 6, 16:37:04
    - Indeed, would take a Carrier at least ;) (n/m) (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Aug 6, 16:21:45
- I lived in Gib. Franco used to have the borders closed often. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Aug 6, 16:11:59
  - A padlocked border? (n/m) (General Chat) - Cart Gap Disco, Aug 6, 16:24:48
  - I didn't think you were that old danny,oh ,many happy returns for the other day. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 6, 16:13:53

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