worse than last year or

Worse than us on paper?

I don't think you can judge the strength of our squad on their performance last season. Is Holt better or as good as last season? If he's not is that Hughton's fault? (I don't think it is)

We're disagreeing and seeing it differently because our frames of reference are different.

Innit?

Posted By: Cardiff Canary on April 27th 2013 at 20:44:36

Message Thread

Why do some people think that Hughton has had a hard time managing us? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:22:29
- I just think if you can't appreciate losing very narrowly, and then in games like Arsenal (NCFC) - pants, Apr 27, 19:48:51
  - I don't think "he knows fuck all tactically". (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:54:38
  - Today is complete proof of that (NCFC) - pants, Apr 27, 19:51:00
    - My anger over today has nothing to with relegation fears (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 27, 19:57:48
      - Completely agree. (n/m) (NCFC) - bird table, Apr 27, 20:23:52
      - Same here (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:02:21
        
        The scoring charts will really say it all though (NCFC) - pants, Apr 27, 20:09:35
        
        Playing one up front is not the problem, Moro was great there last season (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:16:50
        
        we create less chances than last season (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 20:12:29
        
        yep.. agree that our key players last season have let us down a bit this year (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 20:13:45
        
        Despite the fact that we've already discussed this and you've been shown (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:17:41
        
        Which ones? Holt (in a new lone striker role) and ? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 20:15:30
        
        Morison (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 20:15:56
        
        A bit unfair on Moro.... Even if he isn't that good. (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 20:21:38
        
        next season he'll need to try and beat more of the shit teams (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 20:05:00
      - Tbf everyone expected that approach to the game. One of the reasons I didn't go (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:59:54
        
        I know. I've stopped going away as much because of it as well. (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 27, 20:01:34
      - 3 goals in 9 games at bottom half teams - shameful (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:59:08
    - no shots on target (again) can do that dude (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 19:53:36
      - but we had FIVE at wigan LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:54:12
  - deserved to win? If you want to go down that route, KK tripped over his own feet (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 19:50:27
- because of a small section of fans moaning? (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Apr 27, 19:45:08
  - I think he has added great quality, which makes me question why we're struggling even more (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:50:47
    - those teams are doing worse (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Apr 27, 19:59:42
      - You really don't think those teams are far worse? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:04:31
        
        the teams are arguably worse (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Apr 27, 20:19:52
        
        ...but Benteke isn't in a half decent squad, Wigan are doing worse despite having more (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:27:46
        
        also, I think the (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Apr 27, 20:47:21
        
        worse than last year or (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Apr 27, 20:44:36
        
        Look at Newcastle.... probably the worst side at Carrow Road all season. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 20:32:22
- POTY (NCFC) - Pragmatist, Apr 27, 19:44:20
- similar to something I posted earlier (NCFC) - Sugbad The Bad, Apr 27, 19:35:17
  - Great post to be fair (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:39:47
- I remeber when Hoots first took over and talked about the.. (NCFC) - promethian1, Apr 27, 19:33:03
  - A good manager plays to the strengths of the squad, not the other way round... (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:36:51
    - Agreed! (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Apr 27, 19:46:11
    - Hear Hear! I want an omelette but have no eggs. I have the makings of a risotto. (NCFC) - Sugbad The Bad, Apr 27, 19:41:43
      - Good post. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:43:03
    - and he fucked off. Board apooints different manager who has different approach (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:39:31
    - wrong (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:38:42
      - Yeah Bullshit... Benno given some games has shown he isn't shit after all (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 19:43:37
      - Where is your proof for this? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:40:47
        
        it's called second season syndrome (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:41:28
        
        Like Swansea (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:44:37
        
        potd (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:46:35
        
        QPR.... spent a bloody fortune and are now going down... so its not all about the ? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 19:45:21
        
        Swansea.. haha this is what it boils down to (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:45:16
        
        Just avoid all of the other great points, go ahead... (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:56:57
    - You didnt read my post... there is no guareentee we wouldnt have struggled with (NCFC) - promethian1, Apr 27, 19:38:18
      - We never tried last season's tactics though (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:42:06
    - the whole philosophy changed (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:37:47
      - In that case its the boards fault then as they would have interviewed him (NCFC) - promethian1, Apr 27, 19:41:34
        
        Possibly. (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:08:05
        
        yes they should have kept lambert sweet (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:45:04
- I disagree about the squad (NCFC) - King, Apr 27, 19:28:21
  - Did you even read what I wrote? (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:32:21
    - Not really, because I find you quite condescending and dull. (NCFC) - King, Apr 27, 19:41:39
      - ^^^GOTTEN TO^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:45:55
        
        I find you condescending too (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:51:27
        
        Good (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:58:19
        
        i think you're amazing (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 20:05:59
    - why are villa doing so shit with lambert? (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:34:02
      - Lerner has been selling their better players for years (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:38:25
        
        last season, we conceded more shots per game than any other team in the league (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:40:31
        
        Villa haven't scored the goals this season either. Why? Because they're far worse than us (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:00:31
        
        I think Villa's squad is better than ours (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 20:05:07
        
        LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:10:14
        
        how can you say N'Zogbia is shit (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 20:12:37
        
        He has been at Villa for two years and been very poor (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:18:59
        
        he just wanted the big contract (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 20:20:50
      - they've been on a downward spiral for years (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:35:55
        
        it's because they can't keep clean sheets and have to score 2 or 3 to win a game (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:37:47
        
        he bought defenders in too, didn't he, lambert? (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:41:36
        
        lol. That's what it's down to then, 'spirals' (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:36:59
        
        Lambert spent 20 mill (n/m) (NCFC) - promethian1, Apr 27, 19:36:54
        
        doesn't greatly help an awful squad (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:39:04
        
        lol - he signed several expensive internationals (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:42:26
        
        they barely had any quality (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:45:30
        
        well, they had (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:47:17
        
        Warnock and N'Zogbia are fucking shig (n/m) (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:40:00
        
        *shit (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:40:41
        
        Lambert was an idiot there in falling out with some of their best players (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 19:49:13
        
        where did you read that? (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 20:05:32
        
        contract issues and over rated (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:49:07
        
        Like this season then? 'The boy's done triffic' (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:50:08
        
        they're about as bad as us (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:50:46
        
        All that playing budget, and they're at the same level as us. (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:53:14
        
        doesn't help when they were so far behind us (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 20:08:04
        
        best not to speak too soon... 4 points below, game in hand (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 19:51:33
        
        Agbonlawhore too, Weimann. Cracking forward line (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:48:51
        
        Aga-overated.... Weimann-nothing special. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 20:14:56
        
        First shit, second average. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 20:11:07
        
        Just needed to sort out the defence really, but he hasn't (n/m) (NCFC) - South_West_Canary, Apr 27, 19:49:29
  - vmt (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:30:12
    - More revisionist history (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:35:11
      - Tierney.. lol (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:44:38
        
        Moro had 4 starts, WOW! Tierney was our best player at the start of last season as many on (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:47:56
        
        Tierney's stats on whoscored, are almost identical to Garrido's (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 27, 20:45:02
- Excellent post (n/m) (NCFC) - Fozzybear, Apr 27, 19:27:53
- vmt (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:23:44
  - I'm a troll (NCFC) - Pragmatist, Apr 27, 19:26:32
- I'm not sure the squad he inherited was that good. Lambert somehow had them firing (n/m) (NCFC) - Only1Doherty, Apr 27, 19:23:15
  - Vaughan shouldn't have been looned out (NCFC) - LowestoftBoy, Apr 27, 19:27:35
    - I still don't rate him, not blaming Hoots for that. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:28:50
  - Had them firing with tactics that suited them. (NCFC) - Common Sense Police, Apr 27, 19:26:56
  - Wasn't in a relegation scrap (NCFC) - Pragmatist, Apr 27, 19:25:36
    - we haven't been in a relgation scrap this season since the end of october (n/m) (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Apr 27, 19:29:12
      - hoot and the players would disagree (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:29:53
    - cos most of the old lot have turned crap under hoot's system (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 27, 19:28:14

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