a) you're right. I should spoil my ballot.

I think i will.

b) I would absolutely agree with you if this was a *new* layer of democratically elected officials. But as far as I'm aware this is about replacing the current lot with a new lot who have the same difficult job to do, as well as looking after their own election campaigns. Just makes it even harder to do the main point of the job properly. I'm happy to be corrected if I'm not right about this not being a new layer of officials.

I'd be perfectly happy about electing a new type of independent body responsible for holding the police to account. The points you make about Hillsborough are exactly to the point. And it goes further than that, with South Yorks with the things that are starting to come out about the relationship between South Yorks police and the govt at the time of the miners' strikes.

Posted By: Arizona Bay on October 23rd 2012 at 11:23:25

Message Thread

Help me out with the elected police commissioners thing. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Oct 23, 10:47:39
- Yes but (General Chat) - Nelsons final flanel, Oct 23, 13:19:59
  - That makes me pretty bloody wise (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 23, 13:25:58
- I find the concept of electing some one to run the police who knows absolutely nothing (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 23, 12:58:08
  - but voted in by... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Oct 23, 13:03:01
    - oh no (General Chat) - Monty Peculiar, Oct 23, 13:13:30
      - It has a nice symmetry though - plebs voting in a chief pleb (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 23, 13:16:02
  - we'll end up with a load sheriffs like roscoe piko train off of the dooks a hazaed. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 23, 13:01:53
    - "piko train" (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Oct 23, 13:05:04
      - u never saw it spelt,you know what i mean though.harry. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 23, 13:06:35
        
        . (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Oct 23, 13:07:46
        
        i meant to put "i" not you, tbh. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 23, 13:12:11
- I dont understand the thinking behind it either.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Oct 23, 12:54:29
  - well it'll absolve the tories of any blame if the crime rate rises. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 23, 13:07:40
    - shirley... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Oct 23, 13:09:18
- what a load of bollocks, electing Police Commisioners (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 23, 12:46:16
- I might vote UKIP for shits and giggles. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Oct 23, 12:10:29
- If one is called Gordon, I shall vote for him (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 23, 11:27:39
- On the other hand (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 23, 11:15:51
  - a) you're right. I should spoil my ballot. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Oct 23, 11:23:25
  - Wouldn't the elected official just become "one of them"? (General Chat) - duke of york, Oct 23, 11:18:43
    - Who knows? (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 23, 11:26:46
      - Are politicians (local or national) more accountable because they're elected? Not really (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Oct 23, 13:34:01
      - Good points (General Chat) - duke of york, Oct 23, 11:33:00
        
        they ought to have barred political parties from sponsoring candidates (General Chat) - CWC, Oct 23, 12:10:54
    - is this an idea copied from america? (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Oct 23, 11:22:54
- the Mary option (n/m) (General Chat) - Higher Wrather, Oct 23, 10:54:24
- yes. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 23, 10:52:28
  - Good. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Oct 23, 10:52:52
    - spoilt ballot (General Chat) - Basil Wrathbone, Oct 23, 10:59:07
      - "All coppers are cunts!" (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Oct 23, 11:02:20
        
        Trouble is if you don't vote, which I also don't want to as I feel the same as you about (General Chat) - jafski, Oct 23, 11:11:59
        
        "just when I've been spoon fed how wonderful you are (General Chat) - pants, Oct 23, 11:10:09

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