That's wanting the perfect situation to prove a point though.

Accidents will always happen. Whether or not it would have made any difference in this case. It doesn't *seem* that there's much will for an improvement in general though, and waiting to establish culpability seems a bit cold.

Basically, everyone wants the roads to be safer. Blame here is not the issue.

Posted By: APB on August 1st 2012 at 23:19:47

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And a cyclist gets killed by an Olympic bus in East London (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:06:52
- An Olympic bus turned across me on the Mile End road earlier (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:38:52
- a bit easy to blame boris (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:09:41
  - The general point stands that Boris doesn't give a shiny shit about cyclists though (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:45:15
    - i don't mind him tbh,but i bet his attitude would change if bikes were taxed. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:47:46
  - That's what he does. Surprised half of its not Maggies fault (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 1, 22:11:31
    - 'that's what he does' (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:16:49
      - He's not a buffoon, he likes to make people think he is (n/m) (General Chat) - Only1Doherty, Aug 1, 22:36:22
        
        A million times this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:39:21
      - I'm not a Tory (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 1, 22:24:03
      - Who doesn't love a philandering, absurd buffoon? I know I do. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 1, 22:21:06
      - This is what Boris does (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:19:58
        
        incredible. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:23:15
- bit harsh (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:07:43
  - You can have no idea (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:14:23
    - do you know the exact circumstances of this case though (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:17:44
      - I want cycling in London - and the UK generally - to be safer and more accessible (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:23:59
        
        You might like this blog, Tricky (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:28:42
        
        but you don't know the details of the case (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:27:58
        
        A cyclist died. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:30:39
        
        Because its impossible that the deceased was in the wrong (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 1, 22:40:59
        
        Whether he's right or wrong, he's dead. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:48:30
        
        well, for all we know the bus could've been indicated to turn left (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 22:36:11
        
        In Denmark you *have* to look/wait for cyclists coming up on the right side (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:42:25
        
        absolutely agree with having to look, and do, but you wouldn't try to overtake someone tur (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 22:49:12
        
        That's exactly what you're allowed to do in Denmark - cyclist has priority (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:57:10
        
        My point is bikes shouldn't have to share with buses. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:38:45
        
        well until either flying bikes or hover-buses are invented there will always be a time whe (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 22:44:31
        
        It could and should be a lot better than it is. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:54:12
        
        agree with that too (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 23:01:04
        
        That's wanting the perfect situation to prove a point though. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 23:19:47
        
        yes but cyclists don't spend thousands of pounds on their vehicle (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 22:56:50
        
        Being fitter saves the health service money. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:58:42
        
        ergo, saves everyone money (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:59:48
        
        there's a tradeoff obviously (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 23:02:35
        
        exactly (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 23:05:23
        
        Quite. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 23:14:15
        
        i shall have a go in the morning if i get time (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 23:18:11
        
        it is very sad what has happened (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:42:37
        
        Indeed. I want less cyclists to die (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:34:06
        
        Cyclists having to use roads is dangerous. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:32:50
        
        from my perspective (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:45:09
        
        That's what I'm saying. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:51:14
        
        i know (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:55:41
        
        my point is that blaming Boris and tfl is wrong when you don't know what has happened (n/m) (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:35:44
        
        If he's responsible for not developing a policy which enables safe cycling, then who is... (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:46:13
        
        i understand the point about cycling safety (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:52:47
        
        I don't want to speak for Tricky. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 23:08:59
        
        'my own purposes'?? (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:29:31
        
        you have your own agenda here about cycling (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:33:16
        
        What do you think my 'agenda' is? (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:34:50
        
        it does not really matter what it is (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:38:05
    - too many cars for cycling to be safe any more imo (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:17:42
      - they should build cycle lanes in the underground to run aside the trains... problem solved (n/m) (General Chat) - Pixelman, Aug 1, 22:21:30
      - actually it's bad enough for pedestrians (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:19:03
        
        Just ban cars (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 1, 22:20:45
        
        Ban all forms of movement. Except boogaloo. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 1, 22:23:57
        
        electric? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:25:37
        
        would love that (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:22:08
        
        We could ride horses (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 1, 22:24:48
        
        horse drawn carts would be better (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:27:17
        
        fuck being a street sweeper then. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:26:28
        
        agreed, cyclists and pedestrians should be given fulll priority over fossil fuel burners (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 22:24:29
        
        I thought boris was a cyclist? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hendrikos, Aug 1, 22:31:27
        
        For about 5 minutes, when it suits him. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:52:06
        
        zip wire commuter now (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:50:39
        
        a hypocritical one it seems (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 22:43:16

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