I don't want to speak for Tricky.

My pov is that someone (the latest of many) has died and we're arguing about whose fault it was. If it was the cyclist's fault, is death a reasonable outcome? Of course not. So the regrettable conclusion for me is that we need to find and introduce safer ways of including bikes in the city infrastructure. If politicians won't do that, it'll cause people to blame them. After all, it's their job to do this.

Posted By: APB on August 1st 2012 at 23:08:59

Message Thread

And a cyclist gets killed by an Olympic bus in East London (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:06:52
- An Olympic bus turned across me on the Mile End road earlier (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:38:52
- a bit easy to blame boris (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:09:41
  - The general point stands that Boris doesn't give a shiny shit about cyclists though (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:45:15
    - i don't mind him tbh,but i bet his attitude would change if bikes were taxed. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:47:46
  - That's what he does. Surprised half of its not Maggies fault (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 1, 22:11:31
    - 'that's what he does' (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:16:49
      - He's not a buffoon, he likes to make people think he is (n/m) (General Chat) - Only1Doherty, Aug 1, 22:36:22
        
        A million times this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:39:21
      - I'm not a Tory (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 1, 22:24:03
      - Who doesn't love a philandering, absurd buffoon? I know I do. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 1, 22:21:06
      - This is what Boris does (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:19:58
        
        incredible. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:23:15
- bit harsh (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:07:43
  - You can have no idea (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:14:23
    - do you know the exact circumstances of this case though (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:17:44
      - I want cycling in London - and the UK generally - to be safer and more accessible (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:23:59
        
        You might like this blog, Tricky (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:28:42
        
        but you don't know the details of the case (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:27:58
        
        A cyclist died. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:30:39
        
        Because its impossible that the deceased was in the wrong (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 1, 22:40:59
        
        Whether he's right or wrong, he's dead. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:48:30
        
        well, for all we know the bus could've been indicated to turn left (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 22:36:11
        
        In Denmark you *have* to look/wait for cyclists coming up on the right side (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:42:25
        
        absolutely agree with having to look, and do, but you wouldn't try to overtake someone tur (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 22:49:12
        
        That's exactly what you're allowed to do in Denmark - cyclist has priority (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 1, 22:57:10
        
        My point is bikes shouldn't have to share with buses. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:38:45
        
        well until either flying bikes or hover-buses are invented there will always be a time whe (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 22:44:31
        
        It could and should be a lot better than it is. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:54:12
        
        agree with that too (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 1, 23:01:04
        
        That's wanting the perfect situation to prove a point though. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 23:19:47
        
        yes but cyclists don't spend thousands of pounds on their vehicle (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 22:56:50
        
        Being fitter saves the health service money. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:58:42
        
        ergo, saves everyone money (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:59:48
        
        there's a tradeoff obviously (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 23:02:35
        
        exactly (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 23:05:23
        
        Quite. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 23:14:15
        
        i shall have a go in the morning if i get time (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 23:18:11
        
        it is very sad what has happened (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:42:37
        
        Indeed. I want less cyclists to die (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:34:06
        
        Cyclists having to use roads is dangerous. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:32:50
        
        from my perspective (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:45:09
        
        That's what I'm saying. (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:51:14
        
        i know (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:55:41
        
        my point is that blaming Boris and tfl is wrong when you don't know what has happened (n/m) (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:35:44
        
        If he's responsible for not developing a policy which enables safe cycling, then who is... (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 22:46:13
        
        i understand the point about cycling safety (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:52:47
        
        I don't want to speak for Tricky. (General Chat) - APB, Aug 1, 23:08:59
        
        'my own purposes'?? (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:29:31
        
        you have your own agenda here about cycling (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:33:16
        
        What do you think my 'agenda' is? (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 1, 22:34:50
        
        it does not really matter what it is (General Chat) - earlydoors, Aug 1, 22:38:05
    - too many cars for cycling to be safe any more imo (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:17:42
      - they should build cycle lanes in the underground to run aside the trains... problem solved (n/m) (General Chat) - Pixelman, Aug 1, 22:21:30
      - actually it's bad enough for pedestrians (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:19:03
        
        Just ban cars (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 1, 22:20:45
        
        Ban all forms of movement. Except boogaloo. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 1, 22:23:57
        
        electric? (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:25:37
        
        would love that (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:22:08
        
        We could ride horses (General Chat) - duke of york, Aug 1, 22:24:48
        
        horse drawn carts would be better (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 1, 22:27:17
        
        fuck being a street sweeper then. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 1, 22:26:28
        
        agreed, cyclists and pedestrians should be given fulll priority over fossil fuel burners (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 22:24:29
        
        I thought boris was a cyclist? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hendrikos, Aug 1, 22:31:27
        
        For about 5 minutes, when it suits him. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Aug 1, 22:52:06
        
        zip wire commuter now (General Chat) - Tombs, Aug 1, 22:50:39
        
        a hypocritical one it seems (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 1, 22:43:16

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