The other point is this.

What this club's achieved over the last two and a half years has been extraordinary; phenomenal. But there's a rubicon which is still to be crossed, called "established Premier League side".

In terms of quality, we've not been the right side of that line since midway through 93/4. We were hanging on the following season, even during the first half of it; and the best we could've hoped for under Worthington would've been scrambled survival in 04/5, followed by relegation the following year.

At this point, because we palpably lack quality all over the park, we're still vulnerable - and it'll take 3 years of staying up until that completely changes. West Brom spent a decade yo-yoing; and only when Hodgson came in last season did they cross that rubicon: which is why both they and Fulham will finish above us.

Posted By: thebigfeller on December 31st 2011 at 20:12:20

Message Thread

Predictions (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 19:56:33
- The board need to do some magic and get Lamberts targets in pretty quick (NCFC) - N1fty5iftyCity, Dec 31, 20:04:24
  - Couldn't agree more. Lambert will know what will happen if we don't (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:05:37
  - tougher not together... (n/m) (NCFC) - N1fty5iftyCity, Dec 31, 20:05:05
- those predictions don't look too far fetched (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:00:53
  - Trust in super Mac (NCFC) - dreamteam, Dec 31, 20:18:25
    - there were worries last jan window that we didn't do enough (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:20:43
      - yes but last season we still had the option of loans to save us (NCFC) - Brandonio, Dec 31, 23:01:53
  - i dont think we need to worry about the drop (NCFC) - WalterTheSofty, Dec 31, 20:05:13
    - Well no. But on the other hand, no side has been promoted back to back (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:08:09
      - Thing is, as fans, we can't have it both ways (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:28:19
        
        Sure. 17th would be an absolute triumph - and a greater achievement than (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:32:54
        
        disagree with that (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:36:51
        
        Big odds against to go up? For sure (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:40:40
        
        true, however regarding our closeness to danger (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:54:51
      - Did Man City get relegated after their back to back promotions? (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Dec 31, 20:17:08
        
        yep we beat them 2-0 at Carrow Road second game of the season (NCFC) - Brandonio, Dec 31, 22:49:35
        
        Yes they did. You could see it coming from about November too. (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:19:11
      - The other point is this. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:12:20
        
        The side that went down with Worthington (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:16:45
        
        yes BUT (NCFC) - matgore, Dec 31, 20:24:16
        
        tactically we were inept (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:21:23
        
        Simon Charlton and Gary Doherty (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:23:09
        
        Pilks is better (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Dec 31, 23:03:26
        
        wes? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:24:26
        
        Apart from Wes (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:23:24
        
        Much more quality than this side? Absolutely. (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:20:30
        
        Well, bearing in mind we're 10th now (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:21:44
        
        defence was the problem (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:23:21
        
        Simon Charlton and Gary Doherty (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:23:46
        
        *I mentioned Fulham because they're another mid/lower-mid-table side (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:13:44
        
        there are no easy games but (NCFC) - WalterTheSofty, Dec 31, 20:17:41
    - we'll hopefully perform in those easier away games (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:06:39
  - I've always been worried about the second half of the season (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:03:19
    - maybe a better start on paper but (NCFC) - WalterTheSofty, Dec 31, 20:13:35
      - basically if you have a half decent first half of the season (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 31, 20:19:12
        
        All because Bryan Gunn got injured (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:20:25
        
        If he hadn't been injured, we'd have just gone down the following year instead (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:24:07
        
        Must admit after that Newcastle game I thought we'd go down (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:25:45
        
        The 2-1 Marshall against the Alamo game, you mean? (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:26:57
        
        Yep - astonishing performance in that game (n/m) (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:29:03
        
        the smell of death was around then (NCFC) - WalterTheSofty, Dec 31, 20:33:37
        
        Judas' version of a "Robert Green game" (Arsenal 0-1 West Ham 06/7) (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:30:05
        
        Also, of course, beating Ipswich 3-0 was about the worst thing that could've happened (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:31:54
        
        Like Bryan Gunn's first game in temporary charge (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:37:33
        
        As we drifted along in the late 90s, status diminished and the club seemingly shrinking (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Dec 31, 20:43:41
        
        also the affect of replacing a good manager with a poor one kicked in (NCFC) - WalterTheSofty, Dec 31, 20:23:49
        
        Yes, John Deehan. Ugh (NCFC) - duke of york, Dec 31, 20:24:55
        
        yep, back in the days that i attended one match a season (for birthday) (NCFC) - WalterTheSofty, Dec 31, 20:36:31

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