the annual charge you suggest would be the best way.

However dunno what you mean by productive land, but I assume you mean farmed land. This wouldnt make sense - farmers would sit back, take poor land out of production, carry on to claim ELS & HLS monies on top of SPS. This would be on top of the extra 7% of land they are reportedly about to take out of production due to the "greening" payment in the 2014/15 CAP reform.

Having more land taken out of production would lead to a smaller food supply and more imported goods -goods with a lot of food miles and hence not good for the environment.

Posted By: Tony Martin on November 24th 2011 at 13:08:54

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No No No (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 24, 11:38:41
- You don't love me and I know now..? (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 24, 14:04:35
- Just why is she getting a state funeral? I don't understand. (n/m) (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 24, 12:39:56
  - maybe you dont remember what Britain was like in 1979...... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 24, 13:04:15
    - How old were you in 1979 Chelts? (n/m) (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 24, 13:31:26
      - 11... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 24, 13:41:20
        
        Oh. Very politically interested 11 year old were you? Watching the news and that. (n/m) (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 24, 13:42:31
    - yep, but it was still better than after the evil cow fucked off (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 24, 13:27:12
      - not really... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 24, 13:27:45
        
        Nothing Thatcher did helped, (General Chat) - shortfatb, Nov 24, 13:53:12
        
        Trust me, you won't be in any doubt when she does pop her clogs. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 24, 14:02:16
        
        True.Queueing to Tramp the Dirt Down. (n/m) (General Chat) - shortfatb, Nov 24, 14:22:07
    - That's how you choose to view her premiership. I'm not getting into politics, all I'm sayi (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 24, 13:16:42
      - Absolutely - the very idea of it beggars belief (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 24, 13:25:35
      - Churchill lost the 1945 election (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 13:17:40
        
        but not the respect of the nation - they just didn't think he was the right man for rebuil (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 24, 13:19:57
        
        but be fair.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 24, 13:24:11
        
        Yes, the deregulation of the Financial Sector appears to have been a great strategy (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Nov 24, 13:27:48
        
        Subtle... (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 24, 14:43:29
        
        Indeed but not because he was unpopular as a person. (n/m) (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 24, 13:18:57
        
        I know - just mucking abaaat (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 13:22:32
        
        but the thatch (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 24, 13:22:17
        
        That's all lovely (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 13:23:22
        
        maybe not... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 24, 13:27:13
        
        Which is really the nub of this discussion (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 13:30:42
    - Country was in chaos (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 24, 13:13:37
      - not saying she didnt make mistakes.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 24, 13:19:20
        
        Buying from the council (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 24, 13:24:18
- Do we get a holiday when the old facist croaks ? (n/m) (General Chat) - colincanary, Nov 24, 11:45:27
  - No, we don't. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 24, 11:48:01
    - Will we get one whe Cliff Richard dies ? (n/m) (General Chat) - colincanary, Nov 24, 11:52:42
      - No (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 24, 13:14:17
      - Oh we're bound to aren't we? (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 24, 11:53:46
        
        We're all going to a sta-ate funeral (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 11:55:11
        
        Yes. (n/m) (General Chat) - colincanary, Nov 24, 11:54:12
        
        ... (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 24, 12:01:43
    - Oh hang on - the Queen Mum would have been a state funeral wouldn't it? Doh. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 24, 11:50:10
      - her funeral was ceremonial not state (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 24, 12:17:35
        
        WWII (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 12:19:20
        
        and rightly so (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 24, 12:20:21
      - There is no comparison between Fatch and the Queen Mum (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 24, 12:00:39
        
        Influenza (General Chat) - yellowman, Nov 24, 12:12:32
        
        "a sponging parasite, born into privilege, married into more privilege" (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 24, 12:06:18
        
        What's with the direct question? (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 24, 12:14:31
        
        fair enough. Guess I was asking whether your argument was really with (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 24, 12:26:30
        
        Well if one were redesigning a society from scratch (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 24, 12:33:49
        
        agreed, although would be seen as being very cruel by many (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 24, 12:53:49
        
        i agree witht he last paragraph, but would also tax the land (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 24, 12:42:02
        
        wouldnt work with farmers would it (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 24, 12:52:13
        
        of course it would (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 24, 13:00:17
        
        the annual charge you suggest would be the best way. (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 24, 13:08:54
        
        if farm land is taken out of production it could be classed as 'unproductive land' and the (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 24, 13:16:20
        
        ah so you mean tax land not in production (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 24, 13:26:36
        
        it's not beyond the wit of a well-versed taxman to make it work (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 24, 13:39:55
        
        Agreed (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 12:18:20
        
        Royalty, part of are heritage.... (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 24, 12:16:05
        
        *our (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 24, 12:19:30
        
        That someone's going to be the fucking wingnut Charlie sooner or later. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 24, 12:18:54
        
        fruitcake (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 24, 12:21:02
        
        ROLF (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 12:17:47
        
        Happened in Spain ... (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 24, 12:18:53
        
        it did, to President Carlos Arias-Navarro (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 24, 12:23:10
        
        There are publicans in the East End of That London shifting uncomfortably right now. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 24, 12:03:31
      - No (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 11:51:29
        
        ... (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 11:52:27
    - Was it Mountbatten in 79ish? (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 11:49:49
      - Wikipedia says no (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 24, 11:52:30
      - Oh! It appears it was Churchill (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Nov 24, 11:50:59
  - not sure phrankin will quite share your view on that one (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 24, 11:46:16
    - he would if they dressed it up as a national day of mourning (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 24, 11:47:57

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