That's more about the separation of faith from science and education though

which I absolutely think there's a place for. My main problem with Dawkins is that I find a lot of arguments - not all of them - a bit crude, and while I support his point that religious beliefs should be kept out of scientific research and education, the streak that shines through (as SiH pointed out yesterday) which denies people a right to private faith is dangerous - yes, religion has caused a lot of wars, but Hitler, Stalin and Mussolini were all passionately atheist.

Posted By: Ottosson Foxtrot on August 26th 2010 at 12:59:40

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Interesting programme on last night about people's belief in a God (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 26, 10:44:51
- Nope, I don't (General Chat) - pants, Aug 26, 12:51:35
  - I'm with that :) (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 13:18:01
    - What a fantastic thing it would be to have some (General Chat) - pants, Aug 26, 15:58:22
  - Amen, brother. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 26, 13:15:06
- I'm with Ron Hubbard. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 26, 11:19:54
- lol as if (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 26, 10:58:00
- We were talking the other day on here about Richard Dawkins, (General Chat) - Al NCFC4life, Aug 26, 10:54:44
  - Religion was put here to kill kids? (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 26, 11:20:06
  - I saw an image of Dawkins in my marmite lid this morning (General Chat) - The Judge, Aug 26, 11:01:27
    - Did it have that cretinous 'There's probably no God' slogan accompanying it? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:09:48
      - The only thing at all cretinous about that saying (General Chat) - Firstnews, Aug 26, 11:21:11
        
        What a marvellous logical destruction of the agnostic position. (n/m) (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Aug 26, 11:37:53
        
        Not as marvellous as Dicky Dawkins does it in The God Delusion (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 26, 11:51:27
        
        Ah, the imposition of your views onto those of other people. (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 12:01:18
        
        Yes, the insistance from a large majority of the gay/bi community that if I do not (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 26, 12:19:57
        
        ^repressed homosexual^ (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Aug 26, 12:37:04
        
        bender (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 26, 12:39:41
        
        x (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Aug 26, 12:40:55
        
        Yes - as with the atheist/Christian argument, there are two sides to that coin (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 12:24:32
        
        I would consider myself a devout atheist. Dawkins is a fundemental atheist. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 26, 12:26:38
        
        Agreed. (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 12:30:43
        
        But is it not important (General Chat) - The Judge, Aug 26, 12:50:20
        
        That's more about the separation of faith from science and education though (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 12:59:40
        
        "yes, religion has caused a lot of wars" (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 26, 13:19:33
        
        Yes, fair point - thanks for clarifying my somewhat clumsy statement! (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 13:29:25
        
        and the recruiting banner religion can provide? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 26, 13:25:12
        
        Ed Hussain's book, The Islamist, provides a decent insight on this subject. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 26, 13:34:49
        
        Fair enough (General Chat) - The Judge, Aug 26, 13:05:02
        
        Yes, there's a place for a Dawkins, and also for a Moore. But I wonder if there is a need (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 26, 12:55:03
        
        There's a need for good Pope (General Chat) - The Judge, Aug 26, 12:58:50
        
        I disagree. There is no need for Catholicism, so no need for a pope. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 26, 13:01:42
        
        I'd disagree with that. Even if you strip out all the religious elements, it can still (General Chat) - megson, Aug 26, 14:08:25
        
        which doesn't give it a reason to exist (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 26, 14:32:56
        
        I am an atheist to the point that (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 26, 12:39:07
        
        i'm pretty much the same when it comes to scummers (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 26, 12:54:07
        
        Yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at with it as well. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 12:46:28
        
        You're too old to be a gay. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 26, 12:23:24
        
        Good ol' fashioned narrow mindedness (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Aug 26, 12:11:00
        
        I don't think that's opinion. I seem to remember they initially didn't have "probably" (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Aug 26, 11:48:16
      - lol - what a great campaign! (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Aug 26, 11:18:34
  - If Richard Dawkins didn't exist (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 26, 10:58:59
  - Im afraid mr lee isnt very funny, nor is he bill hicks, whose jokes he frequently pilfers (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 26, 10:58:52
    - Lee also did a brilliant parody of Hicks in some sketch once. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 26, 11:42:34
      - "What are mice? Fag rats!" (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:44:06
    - In a recent Guardian piece he admitted to owning 7 feet of Japanese psychedelia (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 26, 11:27:10
    - I couldn't disagree more. (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:05:41
      - By the way (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 26, 11:32:59
      - You don't sound like you've read 300 books. But seriously, this isn't the place for this (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 26, 11:13:40
        
        Argh! You were quoting the YouTube comments, weren't you? (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:16:48
        
        pwned (n/m) (General Chat) - BerlinCanary, Aug 26, 11:29:39
        
        Totally! (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:39:22
        
        I have just got up. Lazy bastard I know. (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 26, 11:47:29
        
        i think you know nothing about me n need to shut your mouth. but hey Keep believing th (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 26, 11:23:17
    - I think he's good, (General Chat) - Al NCFC4life, Aug 26, 11:01:04
      - TBH I'm surprised most of a British audience even know what creationism is. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Aug 26, 11:04:44
  - I call him Rich Dork. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 10:56:47
    - I call the pope (General Chat) - Firstnews, Aug 26, 11:30:06
      - the pope does my head in (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 26, 11:43:24
        
        Driving around in a bullet proof car. There's faith in action for you. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Aug 26, 11:49:00
        
        lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 26, 11:51:02
        
        Don't forget the combination of obsessive homo/transphobia and wearing Judy Garland shoes. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:45:52
        
        indeed, although (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 26, 11:49:39
        
        Exactly - the Christian faith is about tolerance and forgiveness (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:57:56
        
        Forgivesness and tolerance (General Chat) - Firstnews, Aug 26, 12:27:54
        
        Haha (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 12:46:38
        
        fundamentalism makes sense to me (General Chat) - Firstnews, Aug 26, 11:57:19
      - Don't get me started on Ratzinger! (n/m) (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Aug 26, 11:39:36
- Who knows? (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Aug 26, 10:49:56
- I do (General Chat) - revsimon, Aug 26, 10:48:01

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