Right. I'm not quite sure what argument we're having here, really.

I was just struck that both managers who've worked with Cole over the last 12 months - since he came back from his cruciate - have plainly lost faith in him.

That was all I was saying. Fair enough if you don't take any information from that.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on June 28th 2010 at 16:02:59

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so out of our returning england failures.... (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Jun 28, 15:42:53
- obviously Terry first. (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 15:51:36
  - Leader. Legend. Loser. Liability. (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 15:52:46
    - has been a liability for a while, too (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 15:54:40
      - Bet he won't (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 15:57:31
- Add (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 28, 15:44:06
  - And (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 15:47:40
    - Why Joe Cole? (n/m) (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 28, 15:50:02
      - Cos I'm feeling grumpy and bitter (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 15:51:54
        
        I would also take some message from both his club and country manager wanting shot of him. (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 15:53:16
        
        Seems he may be trouble but Capello is paid obscene amounts to (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 28, 15:55:49
        
        Can't agree with that - why not take, instead, the message that Arsene Wenger wants him? (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 15:55:42
        
        Ancelotti and Capello both see / saw him in training, and didn't want to play him (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 15:59:16
        
        But without doubt he's technically good and here lies the problem with English (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 28, 16:04:07
        
        like Ancelotti and Capello, you mean? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:05:17
        
        He's been injiured for fair bit of season and I thought Ancelotti offered him a contract (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 28, 16:08:34
        
        So just to be clear - the official England fans' line is that we've discovered (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:10:23
        
        Fair point...but Joe Cole should be one of the first names on team sheet. (n/m) (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 28, 16:20:12
        
        agree that he had a good World Cup (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:21:47
        
        Come on you cannot genuinely say that Joe Cole isn't a good player? (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 28, 16:25:40
        
        Capello saw Heskey in training and wanted him to play. (Other Football) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 28, 16:01:19
        
        Right. I'm not quite sure what argument we're having here, really. (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:02:59
        
        though Capello still had faith enough in him to include him in his 23 (n/m) (Other Football) - Ralf Scrampton, Jun 28, 16:10:15
        
        Though if he was playing in traynun like he did when he came on against Chermany (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 16:14:21
        
        to my mind, that happened as it all began to unravel (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:13:53
        
        But he loved Cole pre cruciate (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 16:15:14
        
        If that's true, then suggests even more strongly that Cole has gone backwards, (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:20:32
        
        Capello started the B team expecting them to shag Andorra, keeping the A team fresh (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 16:25:01
        
        So why do you think Capello didn't start him in any games at the tournament (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:27:33
        
        I think we're going in circles now (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 28, 16:33:32
        
        so this means we agree, doesn't it? (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:36:55
        
        But Wenger wants him as does 'Arry. (n/m) (Other Football) - BINMEN8R, Jun 28, 16:22:34
        
        I think we're going in circles now. (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 28, 16:24:06
    - And (Other Football) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 28, 15:48:50
      - And (Other Football) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 28, 15:49:53

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