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- Goals galore (Other Football) - McGill, Sep 17, 23:44:56
- Win by 3 and we could be 15th (NCFC) - matgore, Sep 17, 23:04:38
- Feel more confident upon reading Watford fans here (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 23:14:57
- Only meant to post the link once (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 23:15:39
- Feel more confident upon reading Watford fans here (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 23:14:57
- Jacob Murphy gets injury time on the pitch (Other Football) - jampersands, Sep 17, 21:51:22
- had a good run there (Other Football) - matt in london, Sep 17, 21:56:36
- Fuck I hope we win tomorrow desperate for a match win weekend 💛💚 (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 21:23:38
- Derby going into admin (Other Football) - NxNW, Sep 17, 20:29:45
- if only we had an ambitious owner like Mel Morris (n/m) (Other Football) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 21:49:41
- feel really sorry for the creditors (Other Football) - Farkeball, Sep 17, 21:37:09
- how will they avoid points deduction this time (n/m) (Other Football) - Farkeball, Sep 17, 20:54:26
- 12 + 9 I reckon. (n/m) (Other Football) - Trent_Canary, Sep 17, 23:03:56
- They won’t (n/m) (Other Football) - jampersands, Sep 17, 21:15:12
- They were in the process of agreeing one earlier (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 21:10:31
- Percy says 21 points a genuine possibility (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 21:21:31
- if they were going to get points deducted anyway (Other Football) - matt in london, Sep 17, 21:47:29
- Percy says 21 points a genuine possibility (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 21:21:31
- just our luck with the fixtures, win tomorrow and we can't get out of bottom 3! (NCFC) - Farkeball, Sep 17, 20:23:29
- We can (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 20:32:12
- didn't look at Southampton, and yes a 4 goal win put us above watford (n/m) (NCFC) - Farkeball, Sep 17, 20:53:54
- 3 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 20:59:49
- yes, sorry (n/m) (NCFC) - Farkeball, Sep 17, 21:02:43
- 3 (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 20:59:49
- didn't look at Southampton, and yes a 4 goal win put us above watford (n/m) (NCFC) - Farkeball, Sep 17, 20:53:54
- We can (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 20:32:12
- Newcastle losing get in (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 20:13:22
- they are a shambles at the moment (n/m) (Other Football) - jampersands, Sep 17, 20:22:13
- Makes our preseason performance look a little suspect (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Sep 17, 20:26:06
- How did they not score (Other Football) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 20:23:58
- And now they hit the pust. (n/m) (Other Football) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 20:35:41
- they are a shambles at the moment (n/m) (Other Football) - jampersands, Sep 17, 20:22:13
- Bielsa doesn’t look like he enjoys being a manager very much (n/m) (Other Football) - jampersands, Sep 17, 20:11:21
- mind, not sure Bruce is enjoying it much at the moment either (n/m) (Other Football) - jampersands, Sep 17, 20:15:21
- But he can remember the names and (n/m) (Other Football) - Tier2canary, Sep 17, 20:12:12
- *numbers of all those scoring against him! (n/m) (Other Football) - Tier2canary, Sep 17, 20:12:45
- why did Haylock get booed back in the day. (n/m) (NCFC) - KevinBond, Sep 17, 17:46:29
- from memory it was cos he wasn’t very good (n/m) (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 20:09:24
- Ironic that Kevin Bond is asking! (NCFC) - Tier2canary, Sep 17, 20:04:52
- Can we have both Newcastle and Leedsseeths both lose tonight? (Other Football) - Kev, Sep 17, 17:30:26
- Just Newcastle please (Other Football) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 17:33:08
- challenge (prompted by exchange below) (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 17:04:12
- Deehan, Peters, Fleck, Reeves, Fash, Sutton, Ted, Dale. (n/m) (NCFC) - munter, Sep 17, 17:06:52
- is that actually the list, in order? (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 17:21:24
- munter is correct. Remember two things: (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 17:41:07
- is that actually the list, in order? (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 17:21:24
- Deehan, Peters, Fleck, Reeves, Fash, Sutton, Ted, Dale. (n/m) (NCFC) - munter, Sep 17, 17:06:52
- Just throwing this out there. Have 2 tickets for Ralph McTell at the Apex theatre on the (General Chat) - Biggles, Sep 17, 15:34:59
- Wasn't aware he'd been released (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Sep 17, 16:51:29
- STREETS OF LONDON! (General Chat) - Bravo win or die, Sep 17, 16:09:29
- Saw him at St. Andrews Hall, around 1973/74. (n/m) (General Chat) - White Van Man, Sep 17, 18:01:31
- For the 80's kids (General Chat) - inutero, Sep 17, 16:37:11
- Ha ha I’m sure he will sing that one several times. (n/m) (General Chat) - Biggles, Sep 17, 16:33:12
- Remember hold up your scarves and loud and proud tomorrow all 💛💚… (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 15:33:02
- lukas rupp appreciation society needs to be in full voice (n/m) (NCFC) - pinkney, Sep 17, 15:56:38
- He’s gonna get our winner !! (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 16:03:09
- lukas rupp appreciation society needs to be in full voice (n/m) (NCFC) - pinkney, Sep 17, 15:56:38
- After all that, this is what I think Farke will play (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:18:54
- O thought Watford were a physical side in which case Kabak and Normann need to start (n/m) (NCFC) - Farkeball, Sep 17, 17:03:42
- I think it's pretty clear we will play (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 17, 15:43:08
- well, we don't know exactly what is growing in the veg patch do we. (NCFC) - NorwichDave, Sep 17, 15:58:43
- Going forward is always going to be a struggle until Daniel (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Sep 17, 15:36:00
- Perhaps Andy O won’t start as he went to great lengths … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 15:26:24
- Would be harsh to drop him (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:28:06
- I think its horses for courses...he played last week because of the pace andquick passing (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Sep 17, 15:46:47
- Not always a case of being dropped … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 15:41:00
- This! Loz being much more succinct (n/m) (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Sep 17, 15:48:39
- does Gibson have an above average ability to play from deep? (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 17, 15:47:51
- I think he is better than the players we have, Andy O has the potential to be better (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Sep 17, 15:52:31
- He looked very, very shaky on the ball v Liverpool too (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:50:38
- Imo, Big Andy is just as good on the ball as Gibson, if not better (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:43:15
- VMT. If we are going to drop Andy for Gibson... (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 17, 15:51:23
- Would be harsh to drop him (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:28:06
- wouldn't rule out Normann, given what he said (n/m) (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 15:21:50
- I agree in your assessment of what he would play (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:20:35
- Press news in... (NCFC) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 15:15:48
- Cheers dubs (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 17, 15:42:47
- The original and best 👌 👍 😍 (n/m) (NCFC) - Worthing Yellow, Sep 17, 15:36:37
- They make the whole presser available later on dubs if you have a club log in (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 15:21:45
- Yeah but I like to keep up the tradition of bringing it to the wrath on a Friday aft. :) (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 15:28:28
- and we very much appreciate it Dr, thanks! (n/m) (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Sep 17, 15:40:10
- *Doffs hat* 🎩🎩🎩 (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 15:50:11
- and we very much appreciate it Dr, thanks! (n/m) (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Sep 17, 15:40:10
- Yeah but I like to keep up the tradition of bringing it to the wrath on a Friday aft. :) (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 15:28:28
- I actually think Rupp DOES play sexy football. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:18:57
- 👍😀 (NCFC) - MrSpud43, Sep 17, 15:53:27
- Yup (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:55:43
- 👍😀 (NCFC) - MrSpud43, Sep 17, 15:53:27
- I've put Norwich players in my fantasy football team (NCFC) - 51eve, Sep 17, 14:57:48
- i always have 3 in my team (NCFC) - Chris Peacock, Sep 17, 15:11:34
- Crikey, Farke's gone full Keegan!! (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 17, 14:55:34
- There's been many a jobless football manager (NCFC) - Highlander, Sep 17, 20:40:38
- Not to me, it doesn’t - sounds like he’s telling it as it is (n/m) (NCFC) - helvegtheowl, Sep 17, 15:15:12
- Oukki isn't one of the best players the club's ever had (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 17, 15:38:42
- we haven't had many players who've scored consistently in the top division (n/m) (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 16:52:59
- (Farke said one of the best strikers, not best players) (n/m) (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 16:53:54
- He started off like that in 2019 but then got injured. (NCFC) - munter, Sep 17, 15:41:24
- we haven't had many players who've scored consistently in the top division (n/m) (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 16:52:59
- Oukki isn't one of the best players the club's ever had (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 17, 15:38:42
- It sounds like he reads WOTB (NCFC) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 17, 15:14:10
- I'd he thinks Watford are a "top side" then we're doomed. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 14:58:13
- Bit Hootun/Worthyesque that (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 17, 15:37:02
- Very. I mean I'm sure he was just being respectful but... (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:45:23
- Bit Hootun/Worthyesque that (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 17, 15:37:02
- Going to the longest "Press News" we've had (NCFC) - Old Splat, Sep 17, 13:53:28
- Because every answer should be a 30 second sound bite (n/m) (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Sep 17, 14:27:48
- ffs (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 14:06:33
- Shit sounds like he's unhinged (n/m) (NCFC) - KevinBond, Sep 17, 14:13:00
- Far from it. Defending his players and whipping the fans up to create an atmosphere (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Sep 17, 14:23:38
- Ignore the noise DF (n/m) (NCFC) - KevinBond, Sep 17, 14:15:22
- Shit sounds like he's unhinged (n/m) (NCFC) - KevinBond, Sep 17, 14:13:00
- Rupp very highly rated (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 13:42:08
- So the narrative flips to it all being down to the evil fans not supporting the players (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:22:05
- There's a flaw in your logic really. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:08:17
- Re Normann, you're right (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:13:21
- IIIIIIIFFFFFF Normann can balance with Gilmour then my opinion will change. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:31:15
- I don't think his passing is so great that it negates how lightweight he is. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:27:46
- I know what you mean (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:31:47
- Yep! But I don't think we have a proper #10 anymore. Not that Stiepi ever was. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:35:16
- It's Dowell or Todd isn't it? (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:45:09
- Todd certainly. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:55:10
- It's Dowell or Todd isn't it? (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:45:09
- Yep! But I don't think we have a proper #10 anymore. Not that Stiepi ever was. (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:35:16
- I know what you mean (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:31:47
- 👍👍 (n/m) (NCFC) - helvegtheowl, Sep 17, 15:11:55
- Re Normann, you're right (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:13:21
- Nonsense he’s reminding fans it’s out job to support the team … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 14:31:06
- I’d give up if I were you - you’ll blind them with logic ! (n/m) (NCFC) - helvegtheowl, Sep 17, 15:13:16
- The fans have been supporting the team (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 14:34:27
- Any reason why they need reminding? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 14:32:57
- Because we have a lot of supporters that aren’t great at supporting … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 14:34:54
- The fans have been supporting the team. Not sure we need reminding . (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:31:41
- we should be grateful for nil points at this stage (n/m) (NCFC) - KevinBond, Sep 17, 14:49:30
- Oh Jim, that isn't what's being said. Merely get behind the team whoever is wearing the sh (n/m) (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Sep 17, 14:24:28
- This club (and a section of our support) seem to “make up” abuse of our own players (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:27:23
- sometimes folk say really stupid stuff (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 14:31:22
- Not really. Please remind me what I said? I assume something to do (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:34:41
- "Not really" (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 14:56:02
- Not really. Please remind me what I said? I assume something to do (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:34:41
- "Our players see abuse but others get more so it's ok". Basically man up then? (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Sep 17, 14:30:22
- sometimes folk say really stupid stuff (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 14:31:22
- This club (and a section of our support) seem to “make up” abuse of our own players (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:27:23
- There's a flaw in your logic really. (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:08:17
- managerial 101 - defend yr players in public (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 13:45:56
- Sure (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 13:47:25
- not my take on what he said (or southwell's recall) (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 14:07:40
- Indeed he’s just making the point those in the dressing room … (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 14:37:53
- I just mean by first name on the team sheet (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 14:09:52
- he didn't say he's the first name on the team sheet (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 15:24:26
- I’m well aware of that and it’s in the tweet (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 15:35:47
- Tbf, thet'd probably all put themselves as the first name on the teamsheet (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 15:26:22
- call me stupid (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 15:56:10
- 'I think this club has lacked positivity in recent years' (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Sep 17, 14:14:19
- Show him some respect we are very lucky to have him (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 14:37:13
- I don't think we're very lucky to have him (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Sep 17, 15:14:38
- Calm down loz FFS (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 14:43:04
- And Farke still gets almost universal backing (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 14:18:51
- Show him some respect we are very lucky to have him (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Sep 17, 14:37:13
- he didn't say he's the first name on the team sheet (NCFC) - jampersands, Sep 17, 15:24:26
- Rupp is better than most fans think but if we had a fully fit and up to speed (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 17, 14:04:25
- You can only be basing this on perceived value... (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 15:33:53
- Kenny over PLM for me at the moment (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 14:12:15
- "I know he's not a fan favourite" 😶 (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Splat, Sep 17, 13:58:23
- Trying to head off the set of fans who will get at a player from the first whistle (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Sep 17, 13:54:05
- That hasn't been the case though (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 13:55:26
- He's clearly been made aware of the massive tilt-off on twitter last weekend (NCFC) - NJ_Canary, Sep 17, 14:15:54
- Monkey tilting? (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 17, 14:46:19
- Perhaps he should pick the right team then (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:24:28
- Was there one? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 14:20:13
- Yet. (n/m) (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Sep 17, 14:03:39
- I thought the Management didn't listen to "noise" (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Splat, Sep 17, 13:59:41
- If there is a feeling our fans will make 'noise' against our own players, then they will (n/m) (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Sep 17, 14:26:42
- In the ground is the only noise that matters (NCFC) - Old Splat, Sep 17, 14:42:27
- Half of the ncfc twitter critics are one (lunatic) person (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 14:51:44
- In the ground is the only noise that matters (NCFC) - Old Splat, Sep 17, 14:42:27
- If there is a feeling our fans will make 'noise' against our own players, then they will (n/m) (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Sep 17, 14:26:42
- He's clearly been made aware of the massive tilt-off on twitter last weekend (NCFC) - NJ_Canary, Sep 17, 14:15:54
- That hasn't been the case though (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 13:55:26
- not my take on what he said (or southwell's recall) (n/m) (NCFC) - Henclrikus, Sep 17, 14:07:40
- Sure (NCFC) - SCC 28, Sep 17, 13:47:25
- So the narrative flips to it all being down to the evil fans not supporting the players (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 14:22:05
- The Perry Mason theme tune is splendid. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 13:08:07
- hot here. I dont half fancy a nice cold 568ml of lager! (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Sep 17, 12:57:12
- If you can taste it, it's not cold enough! (n/m) (General Chat) - Claygate_Canary, Sep 17, 13:12:24
- That's precisely why they make lager so cold. (General Chat) - Old Man, Sep 17, 13:13:43
- 👍 (n/m) (General Chat) - colincanary, Sep 17, 13:29:09
- That's precisely why they make lager so cold. (General Chat) - Old Man, Sep 17, 13:13:43
- lol (n/m) (General Chat) - jampersands, Sep 17, 13:08:16
- If you can taste it, it's not cold enough! (n/m) (General Chat) - Claygate_Canary, Sep 17, 13:12:24
- Farke has some big decisions regarding team selection tomorrow (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 17, 12:51:06
- Quick scouting of Watford (watching the YouTube highlights) (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Sep 17, 12:37:52
- Even quicker scouting: (NCFC) - mr carra, Sep 17, 12:49:19
- Covid clarity. You don't *have* to show them anything. (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 12:32:04
- I wonder if they filter out the anti-vaxers at the gates, we would also (NCFC) - Nelsons final flanel, Sep 17, 12:55:06
- What would be nice is a stronger line on masks in concourses and bars (NCFC) - Old Man, Sep 17, 12:43:29
- just a reminder (NCFC) - ghostof barry butler, Sep 17, 14:03:08
- don't die of ignorance (n/m) (NCFC) - KevinBond, Sep 17, 13:04:57
- anyone else worried about Tombs? (General Chat) - Dave in France, Sep 17, 12:31:11
- i think he came back recently but there was a (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Sep 17, 14:50:11
- i'll look out for him at the game tomorrow (General Chat) - strap_on sally, Sep 17, 12:47:24
- Come on Tombs, waggle your paddle at us (General Chat) - Old Man, Sep 17, 12:41:18
- I’m really loving Bourbon. Vodka is dead, long live the Bourbon. (n/m) (NCFC) - Biggles, Sep 17, 11:35:51
- Everyone’s a bloody comedian on here (n/m) (NCFC) - Biggles, Sep 17, 14:28:34
- Jaffa Cakes for me (n/m) (NCFC) - Bristol Graham, Sep 17, 13:32:13
- Garibaldis are ace (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Man, Sep 17, 12:43:58
- Custard Cream for me (n/m) (NCFC) - fleckmatic, Sep 17, 12:43:30
- Traynun... (NCFC) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 11:01:49
- Good to see the team practising (NCFC) - Under soil heating, Sep 17, 12:07:03
- 1m 13 in (NCFC) - seminated_woolly, Sep 17, 11:51:29
- I watched that earlier, I might be wrong but I didn't see Tzolis? (n/m) (NCFC) - strap_on sally, Sep 17, 11:28:38
- 35 seconds in. (n/m) (NCFC) - Trent_Canary, Sep 17, 11:38:30
- He was in the photos (n/m) (NCFC) - Jim, Sep 17, 11:29:35
- It all seems very quiet compared to other training videos... (NCFC) - Maillot Jaune, Sep 17, 11:26:04
- Massive Michael dwarfing Tiny Tim Krul there (NCFC) - Old Git, Sep 17, 11:22:45
- They dunt dew nuffern. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Sep 17, 11:12:36
- Heading practice ... New style of play? (n/m) (NCFC) - KevinBond, Sep 17, 11:09:29
- It's Top Secret. All they can say is it's called "Operation Timhoof", while tapping noses. (n/m) (NCFC) - Old Man, Sep 17, 11:16:58
- Just a reaction game wasn't it. They never show tactics stuff, just the exercise and games (n/m) (NCFC) - trafford_canary, Sep 17, 11:16:28
- Liverpool cup game appears to be sold out (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Sep 17, 11:00:06
- 36 blissful minutes, Michael Holding on Desert Island Discs..... (General Chat) - DrDublin, Sep 17, 10:10:26
- Jumbo1 hasn’t posted today. Wonder where he’s got to? (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Man, Sep 17, 03:17:27
- His head fell off (n/m) (General Chat) - megson, Sep 17, 09:38:23
- Hasn't finished his hot buttered toast and Marmite yet (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Sep 17, 08:28:51
- In a car I believe (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Sep 17, 07:59:47
- Won a long w/e in a caravan on Canvey Island in the quiz. Expect he's there.... (n/m) (General Chat) - Saucerer, Sep 17, 07:32:53
- Brom knows (n/m) (General Chat) - Graham Nine, Sep 17, 06:42:54
- Bristol Goth Auto Jamboree (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Sep 17, 06:31:58
- Again??? (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Sep 17, 08:41:52