Yes, I think all have played well on occasions but

my worry is that the sum total of the parts is the problem.

We have all seen managers get teams of pretty ordinary players to perform above themselves. Martin O'Neill is an expert at it, some would say it was Brian Clough's strength, way back Ron Saunders did it for us.

But what Roeder seems good at is taking individually quite talented players and moulding them into a lousy unit. Now that is bad mangement.

And it's not just an opinion, the actual facts of his tenure as City manager tell their own story.

Posted By: BillySteele on November 29th 2008 at 20:17:18

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Ok. Let's have a sensible discussion without abuse. What (NCFC) - BillySteele, Nov 29, 19:57:31
- The board have brought the club to its knees (NCFC) - Ben, Nov 29, 20:11:45
  - Totally Agree with Ben (NCFC) - SeattleSounders, Nov 29, 20:16:12
    - cullum is waiting until we go up to pay top share dollar (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:17:47
- or get rid of him and bring in some battler who can work with freebies, lower league signi (NCFC) - pants, Nov 29, 20:06:43
  - that and we are hardly poised with cash to swoop for billy lowerleagues- brilliantmanager (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:09:05
    - How often do you go? (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Nov 29, 20:11:03
      - never (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:12:11
        
        Exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - Reg Presley, Nov 29, 20:16:36
        
        i was in a chapelfields carpark today though with radio norfolk on (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:20:47
        
        Nice modern Carpark that one. Nice and bright. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Nov 29, 20:22:19
        
        yes and with plenty of valet spaces, always a bonus (n/m) (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:23:18
        
        Love a good Carpark. (n/m) (NCFC) - DrDublin, Nov 29, 20:26:44
        
        you did go once Tombs you have very selective memory. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 29, 20:13:51
        
        twice actually (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:14:48
  - But how can he be classed as good at it when (NCFC) - BillySteele, Nov 29, 20:09:03
    - do you like patty bell wes and clingan? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 29, 20:10:36
      - Yes, I think all have played well on occasions but (NCFC) - BillySteele, Nov 29, 20:17:18
        
        martin o'neil choses his clubs, ie he choses the situation to be in (NCFC) - pants, Nov 29, 20:19:00
        
        he "chose" to leave celtics (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:24:10
        
        You've ducked the issue there, to be fair (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 29, 20:22:52
        
        the west ham thing, he took them down on 43 points or summit (NCFC) - pants, Nov 29, 20:33:36
        
        Brooking got quite a few of those (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 29, 21:10:25
        
        fwiw (NCFC) - Tombs, Nov 29, 20:28:02
        
        We were second (on december 23rd) when he walked out, though, and (NCFC) - BillySteele, Nov 29, 20:21:43
        
        which is why I hate the twat (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Nov 29, 20:55:37
      - I think the point is that they should be doing better (NCFC) - duke of york, Nov 29, 20:16:42
- I don't know the answer because I no longer undersatnd our football club (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 29, 20:04:54

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