No it isn't

Look at Fergie and Wenger, people always say - they were given time, and look at them now! But Fergie was *this* close to being axed during a far less pressurised era for managers; and Wenger immediately got Arsenal into contention. Of course we want to give any manager time - but to do so, there has to be some sort of sign of progress at this stage. I anticipated a lower mid-table campaign, finishing 14th to 16th; but I certainly didn't expect a relegation battle. If he's the wrong man (though it's still too early to tell for sure), he should be removed: I'd expect any club to do the same.

To put it another way: we gave Worthington plenty of time. But that's only because he immediately moved us away from trouble in 2000/1 - then had us up near the top from early the following season onwards. It was still a 3 year project - but his position strengthened purely because we could all see the large steps forward being taken. We cannot say the same of Roeder at all: hence this debate.

Posted By: thebigfeller on November 17th 2008 at 11:02:04

Message Thread

This "change the manager" talk is MADNESS (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 17, 10:49:32
- The change needs to start at the top, Delia will eventually go. (NCFC) - Army Boy, Nov 17, 11:43:20
- Dissagree (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Nov 17, 11:23:45
- I agree (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 17, 11:10:42
- Cullum (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Nov 17, 10:58:03
- It's the usual hypocrisy (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 17, 10:54:27
  - No it isn't (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 17, 11:02:04
    - given how tight this division invariably is... (NCFC) - mr carra, Nov 17, 11:16:12
      - I think you can normally tell if you're likely to be comfortable enough (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 17, 11:28:02
    - why did you not expect a relegation battle? (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 17, 11:11:38
      - Because the squad had been greatly altered (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 17, 11:16:08
        
        Palace, Coventry, Southampton, Watford, Charlton (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 17, 11:20:59
        
        Add to that Forest, Leeds, Leicester (n/m) (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 17, 11:22:55
        
        Bradford! (n/m) (NCFC) - mr carra, Nov 17, 11:25:14
        
        and we have been told we will witness new heroes, I clung to that during pre-season. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 17, 11:17:33
    - Progress was avoiding relegation last season (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 17, 11:07:23
      - the trouble is change him or don't change him the Club is a circus. (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 17, 11:11:52
        
        the players aren't interested in AGMs (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 17, 11:17:04
        
        did I say they were? (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Nov 17, 11:18:41
        
        nope (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 17, 11:21:39
      - I expected to us to go for mid-table this season (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Nov 17, 11:09:14
  - Another example (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 17, 10:55:24
- I agree it's madness (NCFC) - iwans_ex_dentist, Nov 17, 10:50:47
  - oh dear (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 17, 11:22:28
    - Someone who isn't (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Nov 17, 11:32:40
      - names please (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Nov 17, 11:34:08
  - Eureka! I see it now. We should be appointing the "right" manager. (n/m) (NCFC) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 17, 11:08:58
  - You could appoint Sir Alex Redface with the Archangel Gabriel as his director of football (NCFC) - Old Git, Nov 17, 10:53:23

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