I'm not talking about one example

I'm talking about after a game we've lost when you roll about 5 criticisms into one, and act like you knew what was best for the game before hand

From there you spiral your questioning, to the point where you think if it happens the next game, he's lost the plot

You don't stop to think that some games where it all went wrong, are the startign point to where it all might go right one day

This is how Worthington lost it here, he was so intent to repeat the play offs and promotion, he got himself in all of a tiz, and instead of giving someone a chance for a few games, would revert back to what worked 2 seasons ago, and that meant things like playing fleming when he was past it, signing players like hughes because it was the safe thing to do, and we were playing long ball

Grant tried to do things for the right reasons too, and had the right ideas, but the pressure also got to him, and he spectacularly lost it, but he didn't at first.

At first he was actually forming a team that looked like he had foundation ie, imagine fozzy, etuhu, huckerby and russell in midfield. It would have been a great thing. Instead Dickson left and Brellier wasn't the right replacement. Then Earnshaw left and Cureton didn't live up to it at all. Both came with good pedigree and the right reasons, it just didn't work

Then fozzy got injured

I'm not arguing with you about what I think or you think about Grant, I'm talking about how managers format ideas and build a team

You've acknowledged that you think the signings so far this season are good, fair enough, but its when you're going to start doing your aftermatch run down about how the team f**ked it up, and how Roeder's going like grant and is clueless that gets to me (and others I guess)

All that's happened pre season is you've turned the way you are about Roeder onto Delia, and since this announcement, you're on here day after day, claiming this that and the other about Delia, and you're being told things that are the truth

When the thread ends, it starts again later, and you say the same things, and the same things are said back to you, and this goes on till you annoy everyone, or they have a go at me for biting at you

In summary, everything at this club isn't just some bomb going off day to day, it's alright really

Yes they don't match your expectations, but then again your expectations are too high

It doesn't mean you have to be paranoid and go looking for the conspiracy in every single little nook and cranny like you do after a game

Posted By: pants on July 13th 2008 at 21:28:14

Message Thread

I'm almost convinced that Phrankin.. (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 19:33:02
- He also has 5000+ posts on the PinkUn board (n/m) (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Jul 13, 20:15:38
- I do wonder why I bite to be honest, he's never going to see the good in it (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:43:01
  - I can't be the only wrather to see the irony in that post, surely? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 13, 19:47:11
    - lol (n/m) (NCFC) - selwyn, Jul 13, 20:23:01
      - It is now irony central on here (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:32:23
        
        Dexter's on at 10 (n/m) (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:33:56
        
        Dexter (NCFC) - terrybligh, Jul 13, 20:44:09
    - They don't do self awareness in Yorkshire (n/m) (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 19:51:44
      - There you go tricks, the reples are rolling in now (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:55:34
        
        Oh come on, it was ironic (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 19:57:58
        
        I'm not playing (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:59:25
        
        Oh for heaven's sake get a grip (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:00:18
        
        To be fair to pants (NCFC) - Boris Johnson MP, Jul 13, 19:59:09
        
        No, he does stick to one position (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:02:16
        
        That's amusing, because we've all loved delia for years, so have I (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:12:44
        
        So who recognises Doherty as our best defender then? (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, Jul 14, 00:01:24
        
        I defended Svensson when he was ahead of Iwan, that was going against the majority too (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:15:11
        
        Quite.... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 13, 20:01:06
        
        haha ta (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:23:54
        
        What does Marvin'd mean by the way? (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:31:02
        
        See you talk about victim before, I said devils advocate once the other day (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:37:49
        
        You were right, and I didn't rib you for it (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:39:19
        
        It's a Marvin Hagler reference. (n/m) (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 13, 20:34:10
        
        Was he an internet bully too? (n/m) (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:37:48
        
        Yes (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:03:06
        
        Applauds and toats tricky (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:07:03
        
        I don't think I'd be alone in finding you difficult to debate with! (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:09:03
        
        They're all coming out now (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:13:25
        
        Yep (n/m) (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:15:29
        
        *winks knowingly at tricky* (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:16:41
        
        I actually think you're a nicer bloke than TH, by the way (n/m) (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 20:37:03
        
        I like tricky to, I'm just well aware when someones setting it up to drop me in it (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 22:02:56
    - well and truely marvin'd there (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:49:47
    - No (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, Jul 13, 19:48:51
      - I don't go looking for it (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:51:22
  - Just a very stupid and unpleasant individual. (n/m) (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, Jul 13, 19:46:46
    - I wouldn't go that far.... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 13, 19:58:29
      - Fair enough (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, Jul 13, 20:05:35
- I think Roeder is the right man for the job, but fear he won't get the backing to do it (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:34:03
  - someone bookmark this, for when he doesn't think this (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:39:38
    - no need to bookmark (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:54:16
      - Why does saying that he made mistakes (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 19:55:38
        
        because he's referenced previous jobs already, without a ball kicked (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 19:57:59
        
        who wouldnt reference his past jobs when you hire a manager? (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 20:00:05
        
        If tactics were wrong in your opinoin, or this "tinkering" you persistently (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:04:42
        
        his tinkering cost us points (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 20:14:17
        
        but he tinkered with the team to fit Bertrand in didn't he? (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:20:15
        
        not really, and he at least kept to his system (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 20:24:47
        
        I'm not talking about one example (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 21:28:14
        
        That's Numberwang! Fucking hell, good work! (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jul 13, 22:21:51
        
        Excellent! (n/m) (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 21:32:26
        
        *anyway (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 20:25:07
        
        Yes, but he'd hardly be unique in that (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jul 13, 19:59:21
        
        pants didnt think he did. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 19:56:23
        
        everyone makes mistakes, but they don't need to be called on them everytime they happen (NCFC) - pants, Jul 13, 20:29:07
        
        I did not hate Grant (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 13, 20:31:51

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