Well, I have no idea what the assets are worth

though the debt appears clear at about ?20m.

That 56m "package" included 20m for players, so that's neither here nor there in valuation. And neither is the shares - they're worth a nominal ?30 per share; but their real worth is dependent on the worth of the club - ie. the assets and debt and P&L (more L than P).

Posted By: BerlinCanary on July 8th 2008 at 13:06:38

Message Thread

I've no problem with Waghorn's article. Cullum should pay the fair price. (n/m) (NCFC) - McGonicle, Jul 8, 11:15:31
- Good & fair summary of the situation to me.. n/m (n/m) (NCFC) - woody, Jul 8, 11:47:55
- "Pay for your villa a fair price"... (NCFC) - Brom, Jul 8, 11:45:04
  - COWW2UGH (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Jul 8, 11:50:26
    - Your post made no sense (n/m) (NCFC) - Brom, Jul 8, 12:07:43
- after all hey Cullum, what's the point of paying off debts? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:25:17
  - That's a business judgement (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 12:02:29
  - Yeah, I thought they were structured like a mortgage (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:30:17
  - Thats what Norton Finance are for. (NCFC) - Pygmy bulb, Jul 8, 11:28:02
    - More should be read into that comment really (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:28:54
      - although to be fair (NCFC) - camcan, Jul 8, 11:29:46
        
        That's what is starting to concern me, what risks? And is this just some short term toy (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:33:31
        
        but he's a local from local land (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:37:53
        
        Stop being silly (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:40:30
        
        im not, what indicators are there that he will fuck off when he gets bored? (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:43:53
        
        Because his constant line of wanting control and spending ?20m on players (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:46:12
        
        Do you really, really think that? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 11:56:58
        
        I have my doubts yes (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:00:34
        
        Why? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 12:09:21
        
        Because he could have made himself more respectable by just talking to D and M (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:31:06
        
        I know the reply to this is "he tried that at xmas" (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:32:05
        
        I have my doubts as to the ambition of the current owners (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:05:40
        
        what is the point of paying off those long term debts in football (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:50:52
        
        Like we did the last time we were promoted? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:53:26
        
        well it was 20 million then, it is 50 million now. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:57:40
        
        lol, but even when it was 20m last time, we could have paid debts off (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:08:14
        
        so we keep our Mortgage, or maybe pay a proportion off (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:09:34
        
        Because he wants controll of something for 20m that is worth more (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:18:31
        
        Is it though? (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 12:40:02
        
        Well we own colney and the ground? (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:46:31
        
        Well, I have no idea what the assets are worth (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 13:06:38
        
        I think my issue with it is (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 13:23:04
        
        One should always employ healthy skepticism (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 14:30:23
        
        Like Delia then? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:24:25
        
        i imagine he is seeking control because he is as tittsed off as the rest of us with the di (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:49:27
        
        my response to that is in phrankins. If life was as easy as that (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:55:09
        
        Would you let the current Board spend your 20 million investment? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:51:50
        
        what else would they do with it? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:53:56
        
        buy land? a new restaurant? Refurbish the conference facilities? who knows with that lot. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:54:48
        
        idiot (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:59:30
        
        Im just listing things the current Board have spent money on..... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:04:31
        
        no, but you make out they are bad things to invest in (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:06:17
        
        I would rather we spent an extra 250K on Martin Taylor (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:07:09
        
        so many factors happened in that deal (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:17:15
        
        We missed out cos we werent willing to pay 1 million quid (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:25:54
        
        I just said (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:39:10
        
        lol. Karen Brady sticking tyo her guns over a fair valuation of the player... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 13:23:38
        
        not exactly no, and you know this (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 13:27:29
        
        Pointless argument we both want the same thing here (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 13:34:31
        
        lol, once again you climb on the wrong high horse and refuse to get off (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 12:02:08
        
        Good troll, find someone else please (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:05:31
        
        ok (n/m) (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 12:07:59
        
        they could pop another hotel up (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:56:01
        
        The risk in this, that he loses most of the money he puts in (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:42:56
        
        Then when the short term plan doesn't work, what? (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:52:47
        
        If he fails we are in the same situation as when he came (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:53:56
        
        Well, that's rubbish (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 12:12:20
        
        ***sense here COME SEE*** (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:15:21
        
        Yeah, but, we're seem to be slowly heading that way anyway... (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, Jul 8, 12:23:59
        
        no, of course it doesn't, just like York didn't fail with Douglas Craig in charge (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:03:36
        
        although everyone said that about Abramovich but he's still there, (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Jul 8, 11:35:31
        
        But he walked into something that didn't have a choice but accept his money (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:39:33
        
        that i know but it's the idea of him walking off after a couple of years is what i mean't, (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Jul 8, 11:47:25
        
        and if it doesn't work you have Gretna (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 11:57:48
        
        Utter nonsense. (NCFC) - Pygmy bulb, Jul 8, 12:04:23
        
        It didn't work at Gretna because it was all short term. It's worked at somewhere like (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:12:10
        
        Gretna, where the guy was paying the bills from his own pocket (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:59:08
        
        Why doesn't he just invest the 20m then, and ditch the takeover? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:04:27
        
        COA WHEN HE PUTS 20 MILLION INTO THE CLUB (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:06:17
        
        But he'll then have the right to control things that aren't his either (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:09:56
        
        Delia got a large proportion of her shares by purchasing 'new shares' (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 12:18:25
        
        Delia taking over and Cullum now wanting to take over are two totally different scenarios (NCFC) - pants, Jul 8, 12:19:51
        
        I thought Cullum was a Norwich City fan? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:37:30
        
        But who is the (NCFC) - duke of york, Jul 8, 11:30:33
        
        I am the walrus. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Jul 8, 11:35:49
        
        Mexican walrus, presumably. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 8, 11:36:17
- Make sure you pay for your property a fair prithe. (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Jul 8, 11:24:40
  - Does Chrissy Waddle (NCFC) - duke of york, Jul 8, 11:29:08
    - crooks by a country kilometer (n/m) (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:32:03
    - Does Crooks do co-commentary? (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, Jul 8, 11:31:51
      - Bryan Hamilton run a close second by (NCFC) - camcan, Jul 8, 11:58:13
      - Spot on. (NCFC) - Pygmy bulb, Jul 8, 11:36:07
      - Yes. Dreadful beyond words. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 8, 11:35:01
      - Yes, forgot him (NCFC) - duke of york, Jul 8, 11:33:44
- How much did Delia pay for her shares whne she bought them from Watling? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:22:50
  - ?9 million (n/m) (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Jul 8, 11:23:56
    - Not True at all (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:30:40
- well if he has 20 million to spend (NCFC) - phrankin, Jul 8, 11:21:38
  - have you ever thought about what you type before you post? ever? (n/m) (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Jul 8, 11:23:11
    - have you? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 8, 12:28:02
      - defeaning silence there (n/m) (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Jul 8, 16:11:25
- He's basically saying (NCFC) - fleckmatic, Jul 8, 11:19:40
  - Hang on.... The posts are upside down? (NCFC) - fleckmatic, Jul 8, 11:20:39
- not reall that interested in what price he is going to pay (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:18:05
  - me too soldier. (n/m) (NCFC) - NCFC4life, Jul 8, 11:22:33
  - this fell off (NCFC) - Tomblander, Jul 8, 11:18:51

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