My point was mainly about the meddling and constant questioning of what someone does at

the club

Roeder keeps us up and is applauded from all angles. He then releases Huckerby and the wave of abuse on here was astonishing, especially when you consider Huckerby wasn't even in the frame for pots, and a lot of our results and points were achieved without him in the side

When you add up the sums, Roeder hasn't done anything wrong in both situations

Over this summer, he's thrown out a load of the backroom staff, something which has been documented on here with a lot of opinions questioning whether he knows what he's doing

Again, the people he has got rid of, are they indispensible? What have they achieved in the last 5-10 years?

Surely it's a good thing to start a fresh and start a new era?

We'll have to wait on the signings, and the results. I guess if they don't come then Roeder's at fault because he got rid of the backroom staff

I guess if we win the first 5 games we can look back and finally see what a good, organised difficult job he's doing

Either way, the conclusion is he hasn't done it with a great deal of faith from the fans, and that's what I'm getting at. The boos at half time when it's 0-0, the nostradamus interpretations from after match interviews (when often people are over excited and irrational, not clear thinking), and the steady rise to "should we protest?", which hasn't been an uncommon theme here since about 2005

I reckon success will come here when the hatchet is buried by everybody. I've always said that

If we can get through this season and accept Roeder, then we have some continuity back at this club, and that will be the biggest achievement of this season, as we can then focus on going forward

Posted By: pants on June 12th 2008 at 11:33:37

Message Thread

Another season ticket sell-out I see. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 10:35:40
- have YOU got a season ticket? (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 12, 10:56:13
  - yes, cos I enjoy supporting norwich, but I was going when we were really shit (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 11:27:32
- They need it (NCFC) - inutero, Jun 12, 10:44:05
- we are a well run club (NCFC) - Charles21, Jun 12, 10:43:57
  - just not a successful one (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 10:45:22
    - underaceivers shall we say 2 top 6 finishes in 10 years (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 10:46:02
      - yeah, things on the pitch haven't been great (NCFC) - Charles21, Jun 12, 10:47:58
        
        the demise began with the invention of the ipod (n/m) (NCFC) - Buckscanary, Jun 12, 11:25:43
        
        got to agree (NCFC) - Charles21, Jun 12, 12:08:42
      - we could be if we didn't turn on the team or nip pick at everything (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 10:47:57
        
        Those pesky nips! (n/m) (NCFC) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 12, 10:55:10
        
        Yeah, if everyone was like pants we'd be flying... (NCFC) - Lol Morgan, Jun 12, 10:52:54
        
        Football team has appeal outside of it's county shocker (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 10:54:00
        
        He lives in York you moron (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jun 12, 10:53:35
        
        Wow (NCFC) - Lol Morgan, Jun 12, 11:02:30
        
        big deal (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jun 12, 11:09:01
        
        what about people who live in Norwich (NCFC) - south, Jun 12, 11:05:52
        
        That doesn't matter though, south - as all he is doing is using anything (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jun 12, 11:08:28
        
        i will keep out of it then (NCFC) - south, Jun 12, 11:19:16
        
        My point was mainly about the meddling and constant questioning of what someone does at (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 11:33:37
        
        and if we are hanging around the relegation zone again? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 11:41:46
        
        You're expecting not to be hanging round it? (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 11:44:22
        
        I dunno, a good manager signs decent players and brings movement up the league (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 11:50:57
        
        You're logic is baffling (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 11:53:00
        
        Well A good manager rectifys the situation. (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:00:57
        
        Taylor was just Brady being a stupid bitch, because (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:04:35
        
        cos she wanted a million for a player worth a million!! (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:09:12
        
        In YOUR opinion. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:11:11
        
        disagree - the market rate was a million (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:12:44
        
        And we offered that didn't we? (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:14:49
        
        in the end 1 week from the end of the transfer window... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:16:30
        
        Roeder refused to have the piss taken out of him by Brady and her scum tabloid column (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:21:01
        
        and this is you talking now, when things are calm. You stir this up all ends barred (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:23:13
        
        You stirred it up (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:24:40
        
        Coming from someone who has compared Roeder to grant many times (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:30:37
        
        As for taking the piss? Hasnt Roeder done that a few times this season (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:34:47
        
        You're proving my point now. You only remember the shit things (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:41:16
        
        Im not entirely sure why this turned into a conversation about Roeder (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:45:43
        
        Because you don't rate him, you're going on about it now, how he didn't get Taylor (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:47:42
        
        I just checked YOU brought up Roeder in this (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:48:32
        
        Because I know you don't like him (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:50:05
        
        so you are trolling... ok. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:50:55
        
        No, im pointing out that we need full support next season no matter what (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:55:49
        
        If we are in the same situation as we were with Grant after 10 games this season (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:58:10
        
        Probably the same as Sheff weds who stuck by Laws no matter what (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 13:03:29
        
        Not sure what is wrong with running a business like a business........ (n/m) (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:28:04
        
        ... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:29:07
        
        What's so wrong about that? (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:34:00
        
        Cos season ticket sales do not merit a success to me (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:37:07
        
        But it's all obviously so simple... (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jun 12, 12:15:50
        
        The early bird... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:16:42
        
        Do us all a favour. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:19:05
        
        fuck off and face some facts (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:19:37
        
        What..... (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:21:49
        
        I am most definatly not (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:23:15
        
        Long term means everyone (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:27:53
        
        we didnt beat many teams after the tinkering started (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:32:53
        
        The only dodgy result in this "tinkering" you're drivelling on about (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:36:51
        
        coventry away.... how about the centr back combinations being changed (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:37:55
        
        Ohhhh Coventry, we always win there as well (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:42:29
        
        definatly were with Dion as a loan frontman! lol (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:46:47
        
        ROEDER OUT!! (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:48:39
        
        was a shit formation and we played shit... (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:50:24
        
        see, you thought we should have won (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:51:28
        
        no I thought it was a fucking stupid formation (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:52:50
        
        But if it had worked it would have been the right one (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:57:01
        
        yes the results he got from his 4-4-2 one out and out winger (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:58:54
        
        It's that easy isn't it? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 13:04:07
        
        Manager in fair safe position tries a few things for future. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:40:46
        
        fair safe position (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:43:46
        
        You're lying when you say you'll be happy with a lower mid table position (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:45:32
        
        bullshit pants (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:47:23
        
        I've lost count of how many times you've slagged Roeder off on this thread now (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:49:36
        
        I stated what I always state (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:51:59
        
        WE STARTED PLAYING TEAMS BETTER THAN US (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:58:13
        
        we lost at home too (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 13:01:14
        
        TO BETTER TEAMS, HELLO!!!! ANYONE THERE??? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 13:15:18
        
        No....not at all sure what that's about. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:26:46
        
        absolutely, we didnt want to pay the market rate (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:28:45
        
        What market rate? (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:30:33
        
        the price that equivalent players were being sold for this season (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:33:51
        
        I give up. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:35:01
        
        It's you that needs to remember or understand previous facts (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:21:35
        
        says teh guy who never watches us play (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:22:51
        
        Gibbs came good in the last few games, and looks promising (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:26:58
        
        Actually, I thought Gibbs was pony too. (NCFC) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jun 12, 12:28:46
        
        not worth 1 million (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jun 12, 12:09:58
        
        disagree - the market rate was a million (NCFC) - phrankin, Jun 12, 12:12:28
        
        Apply for the job next time (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 12:52:34
        
        you think Doc will stay then? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 12, 12:06:48
        
        and what about all the 'fans' who have season tickets but don't really give a shit? (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 12, 11:08:17
        
        A pointless argument in all, brought up by trolls (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 11:07:39
        
        A "pointless argument" (NCFC) - Lol Morgan, Jun 12, 11:24:36
        
        I reckon the second bowl of stupid wasn't a good idea in hindsight (NCFC) - pants, Jun 12, 11:36:42
        
        Another young keeper gone . . . (NCFC) - Yellow Ice, Jun 12, 11:38:27
        
        Lol Morgan indeed. (n/m) (NCFC) - Dog, Jun 12, 11:27:37
        
        yep. no idea why you support norwich/where you live, (NCFC) - lurd, Jun 12, 11:14:11

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