the rule, as applied,

means that RVN was onside

BUT

1) the Italian did not leave the field of play in order to engineer an offside situation (it was probably to stop players stepping over the SIDELINES thus rendering an attacker offside)
2) RVN obviously DID gain an advantage by not having 2 players goalside of him (he was, to coin playground parlance, goal-hanging)

In effect the rule does not cater for the situation as it developed last night. Morally RVN was offside but as a different rule was applied the official decision was 'correct'.

PS Just because guidance for referees is published by an American website does not make it any less correct or accurate.

Posted By: jayson blair on June 10th 2008 at 14:21:50

Message Thread

Can't believe I missed a great debate about the offside goal (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 13:42:18
- Just for you Charles ;-) (Other Football) - CB41, Jun 10, 14:07:10
  - lol (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 14:08:28
- Have you read the rules? (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 13:47:43
  - They also say (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 14:03:09
    - I agree, BUT... (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 14:11:37
      - True (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 14:14:51
        
        Ha ha. (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 14:23:04
        
        no (Other Football) - Dave in France, Jun 10, 14:27:16
        
        But that's a judgement for the ref to make. (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 14:29:05
        
        in the modern game, we want refs to not have to make value judgements about intent (Other Football) - Dave in France, Jun 10, 14:30:35
        
        That's ridiculous, you'll always have to judge intent (n/m) (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 10, 14:39:01
        
        Or goalkeepers "accidentally" bundling defenders off the pitch (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 14:28:55
    - Onside! Told you! (n/m) (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 14:06:07
      - Chuckle (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 14:15:08
  - no (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 13:51:39
- Cos they're creaming on about what a great decision it was (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 13:45:00
  - well they probably weren't asked about that decision (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 13:51:14
    - nice win on rafa sunday? (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 10, 13:52:51
      - yes thanks (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 13:53:47
        
        that market was weird (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 10, 13:57:33
        
        ... (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 10, 14:04:13
        
        I thought you two were mates? (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 14:08:05
        
        we are but SCC is a bit of cock on here really (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 10, 14:12:06
        
        lol (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 10, 14:22:24
        
        check your emails! (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 10, 14:28:05
        
        all the time mate (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 10, 15:02:51
        
        I see (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 14:14:46
        
        a bit? (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 10, 14:13:08
        
        me and charles who are having a conversation (Other Football) - SCC 28, Jun 10, 14:04:52
        
        almost got myself into a mess (Other Football) - Charles21, Jun 10, 14:02:16
- rules don't say they were incorrect. Or indeed correct. (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 13:43:50
  - the rule, as applied, (Other Football) - jayson blair, Jun 10, 14:21:50
    - All right Jason you old cunt? (n/m) (Other Football) - Holden Caulfield, Jun 10, 14:24:42
      - Holden, my dear chap (Other Football) - jayson blair, Jun 10, 14:57:21
  - agreed (Other Football) - Dave in France, Jun 10, 13:54:23
    - Well (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 13:59:44
      - no need for the rule if the player wouldn't be offside (Other Football) - Dave in France, Jun 10, 14:01:39
        
        Not so (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 14:03:46
        
        can see Dave's point though (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 10, 14:05:25
        
        It only applies if the ref thinks that the player has deliberately tried to create an (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 10, 14:10:36
        
        so let's find a similar situation (Other Football) - Dave in France, Jun 10, 14:21:21
        
        Well done Murray (n/m) (Other Football) - Small, Jun 10, 14:03:38
    - so really, that means that i disagree. the rules say the ref was incorrect. (n/m) (Other Football) - Dave in France, Jun 10, 13:56:01
  - if Amy Winehouse lyrics can form the basis of a question on the tripos (Other Football) - camcan, Jun 10, 13:46:22

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