One note of caution about Holland

Idiotically, UEFA have maintained the head to head method of separating sides level on points that caused such chaos four years ago. Italy were eliminated purely because they were unlucky enough not to be playing one of the other two strong sides in the group - Sweden and Denmark knew exactly what they needed to both get through, and did so.

It's not exactly unlikely that both Italy-Holland and Holland-France could result in draws. And assuming all three sides beat Romania (no mean assumption, but I think the group'll just be way too much for them myself), then it could happen again - only this time Italy would benefit, and Holland be the ones done over. They need a win against either the Azzuri or Les Bleus - otherwise they could end up eliminated on five points.

Posted By: thebigfeller on June 5th 2008 at 14:28:24

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FAO Brandonio (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 13:58:17
- Can't remember 2006 - think I went for Argentina (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:08:29
  - The Czechs should've won it in '04 though (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:17:32
    - didn't see the semis as I was at Glasto (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:50:58
- i said the other day to bet on the dutch, and got rubbished on here. they are 16/1!! (n/m) (Other Football) - Tony Martin, Jun 5, 14:03:32
  - They're shite, that's why (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 5, 14:53:12
    - No they didn't. Eastwood did once in the second half (Other Football) - Small, Jun 5, 15:01:08
      - Mario Melchiot plays for them! (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Jun 5, 15:04:09
        
        I don't think they'll do well either (Other Football) - Small, Jun 5, 15:11:17
        
        Not first choice (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 5, 15:09:01
      - thats what i saw too, glad it wasnt just me (n/m) (Other Football) - Tony Martin, Jun 5, 15:02:29
    - perhaps coz they were not playing full pace due to a large tournament around the corner (Other Football) - Tony Martin, Jun 5, 14:59:14
  - because of their group I suppose (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 5, 14:08:10
    - One note of caution about Holland (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:28:24
      - sorry, I'm being slow here, but why should Holland in particular suffer? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 5, 14:30:37
        
        Because if the Big Three draw their games (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:35:32
        
        oh right (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 5, 14:38:33
    - I'm supporting them since the missus is 1/2 italian ;) (n/m) (Other Football) - Tony Martin, Jun 5, 14:10:41
    - I'd like to see Italy and Romania go through in that group (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:09:03
- See I'm tempted to have a flutter on the Dutch as well, for those same reasons..... (n/m) (Other Football) - LincolnshireCanary, Jun 5, 14:00:19
  - I think have a chance, mainly cos Sneijder is so dangerous as a big game player (Other Football) - pants, Jun 5, 14:03:29
    - Or (Other Football) - mike_the_sphinx, Jun 5, 14:05:14
      - I can't wait for it all really. I can't predict who's gonna win, just gonna enjoy it (Other Football) - pants, Jun 5, 14:07:56
        
        Thing is, I really liked Portugal in 2000 (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:10:52
        
        True, I loathed Germany more in that tournament (Other Football) - pants, Jun 5, 14:14:55
        
        Yeah, I remember that (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:21:12
        
        Worse for me, was (Other Football) - pants, Jun 5, 14:24:34
        
        1minute 20 in (Other Football) - pants, Jun 5, 14:19:00
    - If Ribery play wells, I think France will play well (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:04:37
  - It's dangerous: their group's a nightmare (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:02:33
    - Not enough in defence for me (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:04:03
      - conceded the least goals of anyone in qualifying, didn't they? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 5, 14:10:44
        
        that's true and Greece had the best record in qualifying (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:14:20
        
        no. Just that maybe the Dutch defence isn't all that weak. (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 5, 14:16:05
        
        Wales cut em open a few times apparently on Sunday (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:17:19
        
        Twice. It was shooting practice for the Dutch (which they didn't do very well at) (n/m) (Other Football) - Small, Jun 5, 14:35:53
      - I was thinking earlier though. When have the Dutch EVER had enough in defence? (n/m) (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:07:02
        
        I thought their defence was good in Euro 2000... (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:10:49
        
        I'm sure you did! (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:13:38
        
        We've had this argument on here before, but by the end (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 5, 14:17:59
        
        always thought he made a refreshing change (n/m) (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:21:01
        
        ah I must get his autobiography - by far my favourite commentator (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:16:50
        
        I went mental when Korea 'beat' Spain in the next round! (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:22:37
        
        haha yeh - spain had a perfectly good goal disallowed didn't they (Other Football) - Brandonio, Jun 5, 14:24:52
        
        Not just that (Other Football) - thebigfeller, Jun 5, 14:31:37

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