No manipulation at all
The fees payable for Etuhu and Earnshaw were £5 million. Fees were also received for Hughes and Safri. Say that makes it £5.5 million in total. Fees were paid for Marshall, Russell and striker - probably £1.5 million. I can't see that Grant spent anywhere near that much on his loans etc. But I am glad that you agree that there wasn't a pot of gold - of course there wasn't - it went to fund the club's losses - which is my point.
As for Ashton not needing to be sold - the club had no money - what was the alternative? Similarly take the £3.5 million fee for Earnshaw out of the equation and what would the finances be like now?
When Chase departed in 1996 the debts were around £8 million. Now they are in excess of £20 million. This is despite the Jones's converting huge amounts of debt into equity, two successful share issues, a year in the premier league and two parachute payments, Geoffrey Watling waiving £1 million, and big profits on transfers (Bellamy, Eadie, Francis, Ashton etc) .
The club cannot carry on like that: and the last 3 dreadful seasons show that. The reason Grant failed was that he signed a load of cheap players that were rubbish - his fault - but also the board's fault for placing him in that position. Roeder has made just one permanent signing, and, if reports are to be believed, failed to land Taylor for want of another £200,000. This is a club in decline.
Selling a few more pies, employing our own stewards, and having a share in a hotel won't fix it.
Posted By: Mr Creosote on May 27th 2008 at 11:57:28
Message Thread
- Chris Lakey hits the nail on the head (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 11:12:36
- Which is one sentance in a long article. (NCFC) - megson, May 27, 12:14:50
- me too (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:18:56
- yes, you can also look at it from the other angle, (NCFC) - megson, May 27, 12:27:38
- me too (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:18:56
- error in there (NCFC) - pants, May 27, 11:46:44
- very decent player... (NCFC) - Rofl_Harris, May 27, 11:57:20
- If worthington wasn't such a shambles, we might have got the best out of him (NCFC) - pants, May 27, 11:59:39
- he still scored a fair few only really went off the boil after (NCFC) - phrankin, May 27, 12:09:13
- Yeah right (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:12:44
- I was thinking of his 10 games without a goal from the Luton/QPR games (NCFC) - phrankin, May 27, 12:21:26
- I love the equation that exists amongst our fans that he couldn't be arsed (NCFC) - pants, May 27, 12:24:43
- There's fans and fans (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:27:39
- I love the equation that exists amongst our fans that he couldn't be arsed (NCFC) - pants, May 27, 12:24:43
- I was thinking of his 10 games without a goal from the Luton/QPR games (NCFC) - phrankin, May 27, 12:21:26
- Yeah right (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:12:44
- he still scored a fair few only really went off the boil after (NCFC) - phrankin, May 27, 12:09:13
- If worthington wasn't such a shambles, we might have got the best out of him (NCFC) - pants, May 27, 11:59:39
- very decent player... (NCFC) - Rofl_Harris, May 27, 11:57:20
- illegal approach.... whaty an agent leaks his release fee and they put in a bid? (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, May 27, 11:45:20
- Good post, even if I feel you have manipulated parts to suit your evidence (NCFC) - LincolnshireCanary, May 27, 11:36:13
- No manipulation at all (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 11:57:28
- If we are a club in decline - what's the cause of it? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 27, 12:16:50
- Some sort of blight or canker I shouldn't wonder! (NCFC) - malkybarkid, May 27, 12:18:22
- Erm.... (NCFC) - sheffieldcanary, May 27, 12:11:17
- Might have done (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:17:20
- so what is going to fix it? (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:10:00
- A big gourd festival like those massive pumpkin festival/carnival things in the States. (NCFC) - malkybarkid, May 27, 12:14:21
- would it fuck up the pitch a bit? (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:16:05
- Not if you put a big tilt down and made people take their shoes off like at a temple or (NCFC) - malkybarkid, May 27, 12:17:39
- I once stayed in a Swedish-themed B&B in Washington State (NCFC) - camcan, May 27, 12:30:09
- good thinking (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:20:24
- Put some boards down, it'll be fine. (n/m) (NCFC) - Arizona Bay, May 27, 12:16:57
- Not if you put a big tilt down and made people take their shoes off like at a temple or (NCFC) - malkybarkid, May 27, 12:17:39
- would it fuck up the pitch a bit? (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:16:05
- A big gourd festival like those massive pumpkin festival/carnival things in the States. (NCFC) - malkybarkid, May 27, 12:14:21
- I fear you and Lakey are right... (NCFC) - BerlinCanary, May 27, 12:05:22
- A lot less than it was last year in all probability. (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:08:56
- Its an idea, had that thought a while ago. (NCFC) - megson, May 27, 12:16:55
- Destroyed the soul (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:26:38
- this club lost its soul the day it left The Nest (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:34:03
- Nah. The Nest was a cynical money-making move (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 27, 12:35:57
- good point, well made (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:42:33
- Nah. The Nest was a cynical money-making move (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 27, 12:35:57
- True, but i dunt loike all these new identikit grounds. (NCFC) - megson, May 27, 12:33:06
- this club lost its soul the day it left The Nest (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:34:03
- Destroyed the soul (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:26:38
- Its an idea, had that thought a while ago. (NCFC) - megson, May 27, 12:16:55
- £2.95m (n/m) (NCFC) - Emma Leven, May 27, 12:07:07
- 9... (n/m) (NCFC) - blindasabat, May 27, 12:05:53
- A lot less than it was last year in all probability. (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:08:56
- well, put like that (NCFC) - shoddy, May 27, 12:00:40
- If we are a club in decline - what's the cause of it? (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 27, 12:16:50
- we probably would not have spent much cash had we not sold them however (NCFC) - phrankin, May 27, 11:43:55
- Speculative - and not sure I agree (NCFC) - LincolnshireCanary, May 27, 11:53:18
- Did we? (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:05:28
- I wonder how our 2 million would have been made up (NCFC) - phrankin, May 27, 12:06:37
- Did we? (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 12:05:28
- Speculative - and not sure I agree (NCFC) - LincolnshireCanary, May 27, 11:53:18
- No manipulation at all (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 11:57:28
- What was Adams' role, that's been abolished? (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, May 27, 11:35:22
- Coaching the under 4s wasn't it? (NCFC) - Mr Creosote, May 27, 11:36:41
- that's made me feel better..not! But we live in hope (NCFC) - McGonicle, May 27, 11:26:29
- Come on the turners! (n/m) (NCFC) - Half Pint, May 27, 11:30:30
- I think they really need to do something over the summer.... (NCFC) - wgf500, May 27, 11:45:02
- Come on the turners! (n/m) (NCFC) - Half Pint, May 27, 11:30:30
- Which is one sentance in a long article. (NCFC) - megson, May 27, 12:14:50
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