what being disheartened by the s**t around you?

wanting to improve and watching as you slide back to worse position than where you came from.

Ashton is Ambitious - not many in these parts understand what that means.

Posted By: phrankin on April 1st 2008 at 13:32:16

Message Thread

The reason we got relegated from the Premier League (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 12:53:44
- I blame Gary Holt (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Apr 1, 13:07:13
  - look folks (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:09:06
    - we weren't relegated in 1994 (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:10:33
      - 95? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:11:36
        
        correct (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:12:30
        
        yup (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:12:24
        
        I sure do (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:13:16
        
        1995? nah... (NCFC) - The Judge, Apr 1, 13:14:31
        
        nah brighton (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:14:24
        
        Gloryhunter then an now (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:28:39
        
        they were awful that season! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:29:27
        
        easier option for you eh? (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:33:14
        
        just a bit! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:34:40
    - Oops - perhaps I should read the detail as well (n/m) (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Apr 1, 13:10:19
      - nah i created a far better debate! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:10:57
  - Gary Holt didn't pick himself..... (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:08:19
    - neither did Jamie Carragher (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:09:48
      - jc is a cunt (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:13:23
        
        agree (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:15:39
    - Perhaps you should read the first line of the detail (n/m) (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Apr 1, 13:09:31
      - YOu could have mentioned Worthington by name (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:10:35
        
        I'd like to think that was obvious - (NCFC) - KentonCanary, Apr 1, 13:13:11
- i blame worthington and francis (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 12:54:55
  - I blame the government... (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Apr 1, 13:22:52
  - what about Earnshaw? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:00:19
    - earnshaw was fantastic for us (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:01:04
      - I'll never forget his performance at Fulham. (n/m) (NCFC) - Dog, Apr 1, 13:19:05
        
        i'll never remember it (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:20:02
        
        whoosh? (n/m) (NCFC) - Dog, Apr 1, 13:22:09
        
        no (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:24:20
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:27:13
        
        Pray tell. (n/m) (NCFC) - Dog, Apr 1, 13:25:24
        
        i don't really see any problem here (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:28:20
        
        Fair enough. (n/m) (NCFC) - Dog, Apr 1, 13:29:47
      - all he ever did was score goals (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:03:35
        
        all he did was raise his profile, we didn't improve or look to be any better (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:07:47
        
        we were in a state when he left cos he stopped fucking scoring! (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:09:42
        
        I suppose Earnshaw appointed Grant as manager as well? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:09:26
        
        so we were in a state (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:08:35
        
        no, we were in a state, because we spunked money on someone who wasn't going to (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:12:03
        
        see Dean Ashton (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:15:30
        
        Yep he NEARLY did, (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:23:43
        
        the player that nearly kept us up and we doubled our money over? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:16:54
        
        no we didn't (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:18:18
        
        as I'm often told (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:17:47
        
        considering the embarrassment we were heading to half way through the season (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:19:24
        
        you can't miss him (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:16:33
        
        agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:24:04
        
        we'd just lost Ashton (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:14:57
        
        I didn't agree with the signing then, and still feel it has a big bearing on where we are (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:16:17
        
        What a load of old bollox (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:25:53
        
        ok (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:17:49
        
        cock (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:17:25
        
        sell only decent target man, sign short arse (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:16:55
        
        who was far more interested an scored a lot of goals for uss (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:30:25
        
        Well... (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:35:16
        
        any striker that scores 27 in 43 (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:38:17
        
        Tried harder, had bigger teeth and more hair (just).. (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Apr 1, 13:38:17
        
        Enter the voice of reason (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:41:47
        
        Pleasure... (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Apr 1, 13:43:46
        
        Yep but i meant theres nowt wrong with that (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:49:06
        
        You're in Essex now are you not?.. (NCFC) - Fierce Panda, Apr 1, 13:52:10
        
        nope i is not (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:56:46
        
        wtf did you want him to do apart from scoring shit loads? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:13:57
        
        if Ashton had put a bit of effort in (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:13:29
        
        Ashton looked disheartened (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:15:52
        
        again, I wouldn't let the facts shroud it (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:22:08
        
        so it's acceptable just to give up? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:26:16
        
        him giving up is opinion fuelled (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:29:30
        
        Or what I witnessed at the games? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brom, Apr 1, 13:36:07
        
        at least the bigger picture is on show in this thread (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:37:42
        
        i agree (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:42:17
        
        that's just silly (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:52:05
        
        or what we saw with our own eyes? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:31:13
        
        based on facts from his performances (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:30:51
        
        He was one of the only players who tried in a couple of away games by all accounts (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:30:29
        
        I used to say that he tried brilliantly away at QPR (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:32:43
        
        nah the other tried (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:31:38
        
        pure frustration from Ashton (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:28:52
        
        pure selfishness more like! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:30:01
        
        what being disheartened by the shit around you? (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:32:16
        
        ah ha ha ha (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:35:48
        
        lol my favourite kind of post on WotB (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:34:46
        
        as in lacking any intelligence whatsoever? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:35:33
        
        he signed for us in the Premiership (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:38:18
        
        and talking random bollocks (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:40:36
        
        Nope (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:42:15
        
        i meant these facts mean fuck all (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:45:23
        
        you are trying to justify (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:40:25
        
        Hey you play with Jarrett Hooves Robinson Henderson Charlton (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:43:53
        
        I don't mind him wanting to leave (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:48:29
        
        it would appear so! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:40:57
        
        a good insight into phrankin this is (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:42:30
        
        I respect the guy for what he did for us in the Premiership (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:47:44
        
        so it's ok to have 'had enough'? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:49:46
        
        Is it Ok, No it isnt, but even Huicks has been guilty of it (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:54:02
        
        Looking at the seasons goalscoring (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:57:40
        
        you're weird (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:33:28
        
        when he left us.... (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:36:58
        
        And McVeigh who had lost interest by then (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:24:59
        
        bizarre what happens when the bigger picture unfolds (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:25:59
        
        What quality did Earnshaw have behind him? (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:27:04
        
        You can argue that about Ashton (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:31:57
        
        Agreed but that is being used as an excuse for Ashton not giving a fuck (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:36:07
        
        Green (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:27:30
        
        haha (n/m) (NCFC) - nixon, Apr 1, 13:29:05
        
        I know (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:26:59
        
        his subsequent injury nightmare since we sold him backs that point up (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:14:33
        
        his injuries aren't connected with him not trying (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:16:10
        
        as I remember Worthington played him injured (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:18:01
        
        I wouldn't let the facts get in the way (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:20:54
        
        which facts? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:21:53
        
        the imaginary ones in his head (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:22:24
        
        who is fully fit these days? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:19:23
        
        and crap with it. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:19:52
        
        like at bristol? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:20:51
        
        Well by crap I mean nowhere near the player he was. (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:22:02
        
        that's still above the standard of this division! (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:24:07
        
        I aint dissing the guy just making the point if you are injured (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:26:12
        
        neither is dion dublin (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:23:13
        
        and he kept us up last season - that is now clear seeing how Grant managed this season (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:22:01
        
        that was Karma (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:15:29
        
        Is Earnshaw's form now karma because he left us in the lurch? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:17:35
        
        no it's because he wasn't picked by the manager (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:19:40
        
        he didn't leave us in the lurch (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:18:58
        
        No (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:18:44
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:20:24
        
        Hardly see how Etuhu has let sunderland down (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:20:10
        
        lol (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:21:11
        
        indeed - not the couple I work with anyway (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:22:58
        
        hardly see how Earnshaw has let Derby down (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:20:46
        
        Where did I say he had? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:23:00
        
        you asked if his form was karma (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:26:11
        
        Where did I say Etuhu had let Sunderland down? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:25:14
        
        So where does karma work with Etuhu then? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:27:53
        
        there is no karma - he is just very average and is still very average (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:35:29
        
        so where does Karma work with Earnshaw??! (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:28:53
        
        haha, answer my question, you incinuated something (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:33:02
        
        you are insane (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:39:31
        
        yeah, I started it (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:41:03
        
        yep (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:42:46
        
        lol (NCFC) - pants, Apr 1, 13:46:02
        
        that you know fuck all about football? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:34:20
        
        spot on (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:16:44
        
        actually after he left we were far worse off (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:09:28
        
        I know that (NCFC) - Charles21, Apr 1, 13:11:05
        
        actually my post was in response to pantses (n/m) (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:12:18
        
        actually it wasnt! (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:14:15
        
        until a manager managed for situation (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:11:00
        
        *the not for (n/m) (NCFC) - Brandonio, Apr 1, 13:11:13
        
        He should have worked harder like Chris Brown, with all those flick ons (NCFC) - phrankin, Apr 1, 13:05:18
        
        not forgetting peter thorne as well! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Apr 1, 13:05:54

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