I didn't say it was OK, my point was that it was within the realm of what might reasonably

be expected within the conventions of player-crowd relations. As you suggested, if a player moves to a club's most hated local rivals, he can probably expect to be called a "Judas c**t", and would be unwise to make such a move if he really *couldn't* cope with it.

He shouldn't reasonably have to expect the rest of it, which is nothing to do with the move, though, especially not five or six years later.

That's why I think Campbell's right to flag this up (and, as I said, it affects many fans as well as the players). As for other injustices, well, it's not Campbell's job to raise those - generally speaking people raise issues that affect them because they're the best qualified to do so.

Posted By: Ottosson Foxtrot on December 20th 2007 at 22:11:02

Message Thread

I agree with Sol Campbell (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:16:55
- Just ban the fans from the ground (n/m) (Other Football) - norfolkbroadslim, Dec 20, 21:54:40
- wether Sol Campbell has a point or not ,the only certain thing this weekend..... (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 20, 21:51:04
- I think football in this country should address the real abuse (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:21:15
  - Rob Styles deserves everything he gets (n/m) (Other Football) - Stoopish, Dec 20, 21:28:47
  - It's possibly all part of the same cycle (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:24:46
    - It would be a start imo if the game lead by example (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:31:31
      - It's NOT hypercritical if you are merely a victim of the cycle (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:35:11
        
        As The Guardian article suggests, it affects good-natured fans as much as players. (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:37:19
        
        Any form of prejudice is repugnant and needs to be eradciated from the game (Other Football) - Army Boy, Dec 20, 21:45:35
        
        thats just it (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Dec 20, 21:52:20
        
        David Ginola for example (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:55:22
        
        starting with lee bowyer (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:48:55
        
        The problem, of course, is that one man's humour can be another man's offence ... (n/m) (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:47:17
        
        Only on the fringe really. Out and out prejudice is easy to identify, start with that 1st (n/m) (Other Football) - Army Boy, Dec 20, 21:48:46
        
        Bang on the money, Otto (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:38:45
    - Campbell's had it worse than most - and certainly doesn't deserve this: (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:29:50
      - He's brought that on himself though (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:33:53
        
        oh dear (Other Football) - Stoopish, Dec 20, 21:36:56
        
        *splutter* I'm sorry? (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:35:51
        
        You think he's brought the "hanging on a tree" stuff on himself? (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:35:00
        
        I don't agree with what is chanted no (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:38:38
        
        Which is to be, Pants? Has he brought it on himself or not?? NOT impressed (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:40:29
        
        Why did you say he'd brought it on himself then? (n/m) (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:39:28
        
        You know the answer to this, it doesn't need spelling out about football rivalry (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:41:20
        
        "It's nothing new" is hardly a defence (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:44:26
        
        And to be fair, Pants isn't known for his ability to brush aside personal jibes ... (n/m) (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:45:33
        
        A fabulous huff with a real flourish. Bravo. (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:49:48
        
        Yes. Below. I know. (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:50:38
        
        fair enough, lick each others arses, blub you two win (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:47:54
        
        For God's sake - you need to grow up sometimes. The World isn't out to get YOU!!! (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, Dec 20, 21:52:12
        
        To be fair, it was a great flounce (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:54:37
        
        So was it a debate, or a battle? (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:58:00
        
        Objectively - it looked like a debate until you made it a (personal) battle.... (n/m) (Other Football) - Yellalee, Dec 20, 22:00:59
        
        In points of the argument I agreed, yet they were ignored (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 22:02:45
        
        not guilty (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 22:05:35
        
        Actually - I take that back, it was Otto that made it personal... (Other Football) - Yellalee, Dec 20, 22:02:15
        
        Sorry! I tried not to be too harsh about it, but it did strike as incongruous (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 22:03:43
        
        Figure of speech, Pants (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:59:14
        
        So what level do you want this to stop? Do you want Ashton jokes about being gay to stop? (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 22:01:22
        
        All I want is for you to acknowledge that Sol Campbell has a point (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 22:03:54
        
        I already have (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 22:06:45
        
        Have you? Where? (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 22:09:03
        
        accross this thread I've said I don't agree with what is being chanted, and I think (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 22:12:23
        
        Oh COME ON Pants!! (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 22:15:58
        
        and I've already stated that it's ok just complaining about it, but the whole of football (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 22:20:26
        
        It's "ok just complaining about it" REALLY? (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 22:23:03
        
        I thought you said stabbing a goat in the bath. I wish you had. (n/m) (Other Football) - tudders, Dec 20, 22:24:57
        
        "He can't even play the race card to deepen his argument," (n/m) (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 22:24:27
        
        I didn't know about the guardian interview until tonight (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 22:27:34
        
        Fair enough then - I accept that. (n/m) (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 22:28:54
        
        Me too. Virtual handshake. The End. Goodnight. (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 22:30:07
        
        Yeah, I was actually round The Judge's house ten minutes ago moulding this conspiracy. (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:51:21
        
        Not to mention our very sore cocks, of course (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:53:36
        
        FFS, you don't BITE! (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:56:02
        
        You're not supposed to blow either. (n/m) (Other Football) - tudders, Dec 20, 21:58:04
        
        But I like it! (n/m) (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 22:00:16
        
        I think he's brought being called a "Judas cunt" on himself, yes (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 21:43:40
        
        So verballing abusing someone without being offensive is okay then? (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 22:06:07
        
        I didn't say it was OK, my point was that it was within the realm of what might reasonably (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 22:11:02
        
        Well said! Now excuse me while I shove THIS up your ass (n/m) (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 22:13:17
        
        Oh, not the life-sized replica of the Sears Tower again, I can't take it any more! (n/m) (Other Football) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Dec 20, 22:14:34
  - this is what is tiring me about this. referees get it from the crowd, and 22 players (Other Football) - pants, Dec 20, 21:23:49
    - but just because you feel there are greater injustices (Other Football) - The Judge, Dec 20, 21:27:37

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