Maybe so, but its not that clear cut is it. Like I say its a tragedy....

but that policeman had a split second to make a decision. In the current climate he had to make that decision immediately.

Was it wrong? Yes.

Could it have been right? Just as easily.

I know exactly where you're coming from and I'm not trying to create an argument with you. I just really don't think it's as clear cut as you make it.

I'm sure that policeman never went to work that morning expecting to pull the trigger of his gun. He will have to live with that decision for the rest of his life. I for one hope his conscience is clear as I believe he honestly made what he thought was the right decision. It's a decision I'm glad I'll never have to make, but I'm glad we have men and women in this country who are prepared to make those choices.

Posted By: avid_canary on July 23rd 2005 at 19:06:40

Message Thread

A PROPER FUCKING DISGRACE (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:39:36
- It was a split second decision made by the cop........ (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 23, 19:09:56
  - it goes further back than the copper that shot him though (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:16:15
    - the police DID go back to the watched house and arrest at least one person (n/m) (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 23, 21:48:38
    - you don't know enough to say that (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 19:18:55
      - If they are holding out for the masterminds behind it (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:24:09
        
        Hey Komodo unless you work for MI5 or Special Branch, I'll back their (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 23, 21:51:09
        
        Of course it is possible... (General Chat) - Ashton4England, Jul 23, 19:27:11
    - The man was an idiot to run away from armed cops on the underground...... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 23, 19:18:36
      - do you know if he spoke english? (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:21:24
        
        Most foreign people know what the word police in english sounds like. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 23, 19:22:47
        
        Do you know he didn't? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:22:45
        
        the one thing I know (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:25:33
        
        we know from the independent witness that the shot person was wearing unusually THICK (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 23, 21:55:24
        
        Sure? Really, really sure (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:26:20
        
        it is completely unnacceptable, (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:28:06
        
        Error yes, unacceptable no. (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:29:52
      - He was that. Didn't deserve the outcome, but he was a fool. (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:20:17
    - great point (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:17:40
      - as I say - becasue they hoped he'd lead them to the rest? (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 19:20:27
  - Well actually... (General Chat) - Ashton4England, Jul 23, 19:14:11
    - They must have been given the authority though at some point (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:17:15
      - they are trained to kill if public safety is at risk (General Chat) - notmean_nige, Jul 23, 19:24:05
  - He made a mistake and I am sure he is very sorry... (General Chat) - Klobo04, Jul 23, 19:11:52
    - Yep, that exactly. Do'nt run away from armed coppers on the underground... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 23, 19:17:45
    - Yup...I agree with that (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:17:37
    - Quite right. (n/m) (General Chat) - avid_canary, Jul 23, 19:14:22
      - You cant please some people in this country... (General Chat) - Klobo04, Jul 23, 19:18:12
        
        Shoot first ask questions later is the correct policy for the police to take...... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 23, 19:21:04
        
        tell that to the family of an innocent dead person... (n/m) (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:19:41
        
        But what if..... (General Chat) - Klobo04, Jul 23, 19:22:45
  - Agreed (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:11:02
- They didn't shoot him cos he looked Asian you PC fuckwits... (General Chat) - LeonTheNinjaTurtle, Jul 23, 18:56:08
  - I ran from the police when I was 15 once (General Chat) - DefConOne, Jul 23, 19:02:41
    - You should have been put in some Stocks and flogged with a Cat o' nine tails (General Chat) - oh arr, Jul 23, 22:02:53
    - No....but thats bloody funny (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:07:02
    - Slight difference... (General Chat) - Klobo04, Jul 23, 19:04:38
    - i did too (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:03:48
      - Who's arguing that any petty crime warrants a shooting? (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:07:42
        
        because it seems all this guy did was vault a ticket barrier (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:09:03
        
        You don't know that though.... (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:11:46
        
        read it ALL (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:13:18
        
        I have (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:15:04
        
        i don't think you have... (n/m) (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:15:58
        
        Well then that would make you wrong yet again (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:18:04
        
        well you seem to be arguing that (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:08:30
        
        No I haven't said that... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:09:29
        
        you say its a risk that they can afford to take but (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:11:52
        
        Again unfortunate. But the police had to do something. I don't think... (General Chat) - avid_canary, Jul 23, 19:17:44
        
        I don't mean to do that (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:19:50
        
        I agree.... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:16:33
        
        So tell us what you would have done (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:13:17
        
        I would have acted earlier (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:17:57
        
        But we don't know why the police let him go do we? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:19:25
    - Did they tell you to stop or they will shoot? (n/m) (General Chat) - LeonTheNinjaTurtle, Jul 23, 19:03:17
      - they didn't say that (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 19:07:42
        
        Well then...they DID say it to this isiot. (n/m) (General Chat) - LeonTheNinjaTurtle, Jul 23, 19:08:21
  - At last, someone with a bit of common sense. (n/m) (General Chat) - Betty Swollox, Jul 23, 19:00:35
  - and running from a block of flats containing the bombers (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 18:58:57
    - it's obviously not easy (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:03:13
      - A stunned person can still set off a bomb (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:08:20
        
        What about one who is pining for the fjords? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:11:29
      - confront him? what do you think he was running away from? nm (n/m) (General Chat) - jAC, Jul 23, 19:07:08
        
        they followed him from a block of flats (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:09:52
        
        Wrong, it says he ran into the station, THEN over the ticket barriers (n/m) (General Chat) - Ashton4England, Jul 23, 19:35:08
        
        Yes but at that point they were probably hoping he would lead them... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:14:08
      - if all he has to do is press 1 button.... (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 19:05:17
        
        yes, but if all he had to do was press one button (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:06:41
      - And your answers are? (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:04:41
        
        neither have you (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:06:55
        
        No - indeed. (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:10:45
    - You gotta support them (General Chat) - Klobo04, Jul 23, 19:02:06
    - Agreed (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:00:58
  - Does running from the police carry a death penalty then? (n/m) (General Chat) - DefConOne, Jul 23, 18:58:55
    - At the time the copper thought "it is either him or him, me and loads of others"....... (General Chat) - The Baron, Jul 23, 19:12:04
    - No...but I don't feel they were left with a great deal of choice (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:01:25
  - lol - what a wanker! (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 18:57:00
    - You tit... (General Chat) - LeonTheNinjaTurtle, Jul 23, 18:58:40
    - Yes. You don't I assume (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:57:38
      - of course they wouldn't (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 18:58:35
        
        You were there were you? How the fuck do you know (General Chat) - Betty Swollox, Jul 23, 19:05:25
        
        Ah - now we're getting somewhere (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:03:02
        
        Can you back this up with facts please? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:59:27
        
        obviously not (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:01:10
        
        Based on what? (General Chat) - LeonTheNinjaTurtle, Jul 23, 19:02:58
        
        If they had reason to suspect he was involved in terrorism they would have done... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:04:50
      - no way... (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:58:20
        
        You might. I don't. (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:59:07
  - I agree.... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:56:57
- Why didn't he just stop when challenged? Never having been in that kind .... (General Chat) - avid_canary, Jul 23, 18:55:18
  - it's a disgrace that people are found guilty before being proved so (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:58:45
    - Maybe so, but its not that clear cut is it. Like I say its a tragedy.... (General Chat) - avid_canary, Jul 23, 19:06:40
    - he wasnt. (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 19:00:53
      - yeh but getting it wrong has resulted in a young death (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 19:10:19
        
        I disagree.... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:19:37
  - Brandon likes coming over all outraged every now and then (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 18:57:26
    - hmmmm (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 19:12:23
      - No - obviously only you do. Bye. (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:13:41
- he was a twat though as he was running from them and jumped over the barrier (n/m) (General Chat) - PaulMcVeighGirl, Jul 23, 18:45:19
  - I suspect that you are not really a girl (General Chat) - DefConOne, Jul 23, 18:54:47
    - she is too be fair (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:59:12
  - The old bill are c**ts..... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 18:50:41
    - I think he has a point (General Chat) - Kev, Jul 23, 19:02:04
      - Funny how these folk who love the bill normally live in nice parts or town or out in the.. (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 19:03:13
        
        That's because..... (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:05:52
        
        lol (General Chat) - Kev, Jul 23, 19:17:03
        
        Because they don't have the power to do anything cos of PC (General Chat) - LeonTheNinjaTurtle, Jul 23, 19:05:04
    - What a ridiculous thing to say. Tell you what let's have the police do nothing, ... (General Chat) - avid_canary, Jul 23, 18:57:13
      - My bro.... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 18:58:18
        
        Blub (General Chat) - DefConOne, Jul 23, 19:00:24
        
        Just shut up!!! Shut up now!! For the Love of God staple that bloody hole shut!! (n/m) (General Chat) - avid_canary, Jul 23, 19:00:20
        
        Probably thought it was you (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:59:41
    - What - all of them? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:52:38
      - Most i would say..... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 18:53:17
        
        You're a cunt (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:56:10
        
        HAHA.... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 18:57:33
        
        What is the relevance of that? You can add retard to my previous comment (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:59:09
        
        Eveything....... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 19:00:32
        
        lol....ermm....I asked you why that was relevant? (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:03:17
        
        Eveything..... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 18:59:02
        
        Exactly what has that got to do with it? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:58:14
        
        Utter, utter shite. (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:54:56
        
        grow up (n/m) (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:53:50
        
        The old bill pick on anyone who appears a bit shifty..... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 18:54:44
        
        You are going to have an interesting life (General Chat) - Kev, Jul 23, 18:59:10
        
        Id rather we were rid of all shifty looking eope (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:57:48
        
        oops...*all shifty looking people than the police (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:58:09
        
        Yeah, get rid of them. We'd all be better off wouldn't we? (General Chat) - DefConOne, Jul 23, 18:55:52
        
        Do they bollovks. Evidence please? (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:55:39
        
        His paranoia (General Chat) - Kev, Jul 23, 19:00:49
        
        Ah - but Ipswich is sh*t (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:03:49
        
        Now there's a point I can agree with (General Chat) - Kev, Jul 23, 19:07:08
  - hardly deserving of an exucution though is it? (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:49:39
  - "a twat" (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:46:42
    - Shut up you lilly livered liberal dick! (General Chat) - Betty Swollox, Jul 23, 18:52:10
      - If he was just a fare dodger he still deserves to be shot. (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:54:41
        
        I had already noticed a long time ago (General Chat) - Betty Swollox, Jul 23, 18:59:19
        
        moron... (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 19:16:57
        
        What's your definition of brave then? I'm interested. (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:18:01
        
        it's not calling somebody a cunt on a message board when you know full well.. (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 19:26:47
        
        That's good. That's what it isn't. (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:28:50
      - ha ha (n/m) (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:53:06
    - Ahem...innocent of the bombings...not necessarily innocent (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:49:44
      - jeez...have i just been beamed to the deep south of USA!??! (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:51:13
        
        With an intellect of your callibre it would appear so... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:54:29
        
        what possible crime apart from potential suicide bomber... (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:57:03
        
        I can think of some....but that was not my point... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:00:36
        
        so how do u come to that conclusion? (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 19:02:45
        
        Why else run? (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:05:48
        
        Cos' he was a tourist scared shitless by old bill? (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 19:07:24
        
        Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!! (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:10:32
        
        Why is it?......... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 19:12:26
        
        But they do understand grammar though. (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:14:23
        
        Well done to the useless fuckers..... (General Chat) - PK_Canary, Jul 23, 19:15:45
        
        Innocent of terrorism... (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:21:52
        
        Do you think they did it on purpose? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:16:58
        
        Evidence please (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:09:07
        
        look, it sounds like what happened (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 23, 18:53:50
        
        Yes. Now shut up you cock. (n/m) (General Chat) - Betty Swollox, Jul 23, 18:53:44
        
        good argument... (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:55:00
- Shouldn't have fucking run then (General Chat) - Iwan Husarmi, Jul 23, 18:43:11
  - Gotta agree tbh (General Chat) - Ashton4England, Jul 23, 18:56:38
    - they had no other choice... (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 19:03:08
      - they shot him in the haed, if explosives are strapped there he'd be pretty fucking obvious (n/m) (General Chat) - WICKERMAN, Jul 23, 19:16:53
        
        Duh! Because they couldn't shoot him elsewhere as it may have set off any bomb he had (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:27:43
      - Sad as it is (General Chat) - Ashton4England, Jul 23, 19:11:15
      - You arse (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:06:51
        
        That was the argument given by the police. (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:28:18
        
        Actually it can (General Chat) - Iwan Husarmi, Jul 23, 19:10:57
        
        Genuinely interested. Could you explain please? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:15:26
        
        Which bit? (General Chat) - Iwan Husarmi, Jul 23, 19:22:42
        
        But, but...... (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:24:44
        
        Plastic explosive is actually pretty easy to make (General Chat) - Iwan Husarmi, Jul 23, 19:34:32
        
        So......... (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:37:04
        
        Oh yes (n/m) (General Chat) - Iwan Husarmi, Jul 23, 20:00:29
        
        They didn't necessarily know it to be homemade did they? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:29:40
  - are you serious? (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 18:46:43
  - hmmm but he didn't so that's beside the point (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:45:12
    - With a gun? (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:48:51
      - lol they wouldn't run with the gun - the gun was withdrawn when the man... (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:51:04
        
        I thought he was talking about the victims gun not the police gun? (General Chat) - Clare, Jul 23, 18:52:48
        
        OK sorry I think I might be confusing different stories (General Chat) - Clare, Jul 23, 18:54:52
        
        No....read the eye witness accounts....he had already got the gun out. (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:52:26
        
        near the end of the chase was his exact words... (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jul 23, 18:56:30
        
        Ok fair enuff....but I would have thought he was still in a position to comply (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 19:06:17
  - Likewise... (General Chat) - Clare, Jul 23, 18:44:38
    - I would have said (General Chat) - Iwan Husarmi, Jul 23, 18:48:09
    - But (General Chat) - Klobo04, Jul 23, 18:46:08
      - I see your point but (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 18:49:42
        
        The police believed he was a danger to the public... (General Chat) - Klobo04, Jul 23, 18:52:05
        
        But then again... (General Chat) - Clare, Jul 23, 18:50:48
        
        Because if he had a bomb he could have set it off (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Jul 23, 18:50:13
        
        but he didn't have a fucking bomb (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 18:51:36
        
        Right. And that's easy to tell is it when they are running away is it? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:53:39
        
        no it's not easy to tell (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 18:55:37
        
        of course he would (General Chat) - jAC, Jul 23, 19:05:18
        
        Glad you're not a copper trying to protect others. (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 18:56:23
        
        what would you do? (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 18:57:45
        
        Nope. (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:00:22
        
        Of course I don't envy the coppers positions (General Chat) - Komodo, Jul 23, 19:05:20
        
        I don't know. Do you? (n/m) (General Chat) - colinh, Jul 23, 19:09:30
      - What would I do? (General Chat) - Clare, Jul 23, 18:48:08
        
        Italy are the next targets apparently... (n/m) (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:48:45
  - maybe he didn't speak english and he didn't understand them (General Chat) - beckford, Jul 23, 18:44:34

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