The answer to the question

"How often does an England team in any major tournament play as if they think they are the best and can win on merit? Almost never, they try not to lose."

The reason is because Ramsey won a tournament like that and it's ingrained into English football that that method is what will win for us. If anyone ever sat down and thought that Ramsey's success was built on his correct (but unpleasant) assumption that no referee in the world would dare send off Styles in the World Cup finals at Wembley then things might have been different for all these years.

Posted By: Creosote Ah Um on June 21st 2007 at 10:21:18

Message Thread

England teams (NCFC) - hucksleapingheader, Jun 21, 09:43:23
- The answer to the question (NCFC) - Creosote Ah Um, Jun 21, 10:21:18
- The answer to the question (NCFC) - Creosote Ah Um, Jun 21, 10:21:18
- How was Sven a disaster? (NCFC) - Brom, Jun 21, 09:47:42
  - Best England manager ever. (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 21, 09:58:03
    - Venables. England 4 Holland 1 @Euro 96... (NCFC) - Greeny, Jun 21, 11:31:01
    - For me (NCFC) - hucksleapingheader, Jun 21, 10:02:31
      - Yeah, he was going places with England (NCFC) - pants, Jun 21, 11:06:02
      - What the feck did he win? (n/m) (NCFC) - CB41, Jun 21, 10:04:38
        
        he cocked up in 98 (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 21, 10:11:52
        
        No luck involved (NCFC) - Creosote Ah Um, Jun 21, 11:37:30
        
        I think we're forgetting that it is rather hard to win (NCFC) - duke of york, Jun 21, 10:07:09
        
        Agree entirely. Was just wondering how, (NCFC) - CB41, Jun 21, 10:09:55
    - agree with that, although not sure he's actually been up against very stiff competition (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 09:59:11
      - well no, I did mention that briefly (NCFC) - mr carra, Jun 21, 10:02:52
        
        Spot on. I'd love to see a major tournament (NCFC) - CB41, Jun 21, 10:05:49
  - We didn't win every tournament we entered (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 09:55:19
  - He was a disaster (NCFC) - hucksleapingheader, Jun 21, 09:55:03
    - Trouble with having a winning mentality is (NCFC) - CB41, Jun 21, 10:03:52
    - 5-1? (n/m) (NCFC) - Brom, Jun 21, 10:01:11
    - There you have it. We lost to Germany. (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 09:56:18
      - did we lose to germany? (NCFC) - hucksleapingheader, Jun 21, 09:59:30
        
        lost 'out' to Germany. Missing preposition. Apols. (n/m) (NCFC) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 21, 10:00:20
- it's all down to the fact that we're an island (NCFC) - Dave in France, Jun 21, 09:46:06
  - nah we are just shit (NCFC) - Swiss Yellow, Jun 21, 09:50:55

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