Interesting debate I was having earlier

Were the Hiroshima and Dresden bombings greater atrocities than Auschwitz?

As something of a social pioneer, my argument was that, whereas Auschwitz was the horrific product of a morally corrupt regime, fuelled by cumulative radicalisation and a fair bit of insanity. In contrast, Dresden and Hiroshima were the calculated prodcut of the 'moral crusaders' in the war. They were entirely acts of retaliation after the war had been won and served no logistic or military purpose, other than to scare the Soviet Union.

It is not right that the latter two have been glorified to an extent. They should be regarded, along with Auschwitz as unforgivable atrocities. Churchill and Truman were pure war mongering scum.

Posted By: Baron on August 10th 2006 at 21:26:39

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Interesting debate I was having earlier (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 21:26:39
- Wrong - there was a military reason re the atomic bombing of Japan (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:00:10
- The war was not over in japan until after the bomb was dropped, then they surrendered (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 10, 23:01:05
  - and they are still at war with Russia (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:06:58
    - I dont think you are right on that as the Russians were at the signing of the (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:02:16
      - no its from their war around 1895 (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 11, 00:13:05
    - In reality, it was all but over (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:13:59
      - You need to understand the loss of American and Japanese lives (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:05:06
        
        There was no need to invade, Japan had no navy left, (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 11, 00:08:59
        
        Because elements of the Japanese military tried to resist the (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 10:49:18
      - you are providing an interesting revisionist critique (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:23:08
        
        I am not attempting to post a theory on the cause of the Cold War (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:30:51
        
        Comrade you are forgetting the oppression of the Soviet countries and N. Korea (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:10:00
        
        As I have mentioned below (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 11, 00:16:57
        
        Any political system is capable of being corrupted by an elite (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 10:50:24
        
        I never said you were (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:53:49
        
        Capitalism is a fundamentally flawed system (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 11, 00:00:01
        
        I think you're talking to an ... (General Chat) - bjt, Aug 10, 23:57:05
        
        yes (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:58:49
        
        If you are genuinely educated and support capitalism (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 11, 00:04:46
        
        ha ha (n/m) (General Chat) - bjt, Aug 10, 23:59:39
      - it's a great injustice you were born with the ability to type (General Chat) - Brandonio, Aug 10, 23:15:38
        
        Perhaps if you had pursued an academic career (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:19:53
        
        Comrade Baron, Pravda would be proud of your propaganda (n/m) (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:11:27
        
        All I've got is a GOOD Job (General Chat) - Brandonio, Aug 10, 23:21:44
        
        I admire your ambition, (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:24:51
        
        Comrade Baron under Communism its the minority called the party hacks that cream off all (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:14:14
        
        That's very defeatist... (General Chat) - Brandonio, Aug 10, 23:26:59
        
        its also absolute bollocks (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:29:42
        
        Capitalism is a horrific system (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:34:15
        
        Comrade Baron, keep conning the masses - the party hacks are proud of you (n/m) (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:16:32
        
        Your pitiful attempts masquerading as some kind of a Politburo member (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 11, 00:20:43
        
        As I posted above the party hacks cream off the goodies!!! (n/m) (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 10:53:35
        
        you are very confident in your views (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:42:46
        
        My views are substantiated by years of research (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:47:55
        
        Comrade Baron - dont tell 'em but we got cancer in the Soviet Union (n/m) (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:18:09
        
        Would that be a result of the Capitalist precipitated arms (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 11, 00:29:03
        
        Comrade Baron, if you want pollution try the Peoples Republic of China (n/m) (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 10:52:40
        
        I don't believe you've reseached anything (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:50:29
        
        Socialist worker has its merits (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:55:13
        
        now I know you're a wind up (n/m) (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:59:08
    - In reality, it was all but over (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:11:59
      - Comrade Baron - you spout tripe re the dropping of the Atom bombs (n/m) (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:19:46
      - but they are still technically at war (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:23:28
- "As something of a social pioneer" (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 10, 22:03:33
  - I suppose then that you have (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 22:08:05
    - Comrade Baron - people work whether its a capitalist or a soviet system (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:22:13
    - I've done that (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 22:56:42
    - mmm. and you're spending your evenings (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 10, 22:13:57
      - I am not so much musing the parallels as providing an introduction (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 22:18:07
        
        Explain the uncontrolled retaliation by the Red Army in Berlin! (n/m) (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:24:17
        
        It is unjustifiable (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 11, 00:25:53
        
        trying to impress people with your vocabulary (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 10, 22:24:32
        
        it may come as a surprise to you (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:06:43
        
        I would suggest you are Tony Powell's Dress/ Lord of Rock/ etc ... (General Chat) - bjt, Aug 10, 23:26:12
        
        when they are writing academic texts maybe... (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:10:19
        
        When conveying academic ideas and theories (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:16:01
        
        no it isn't (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:24:29
        
        I don't care for your attitude (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Aug 10, 23:18:25
        
        Oasis? (n/m) (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:20:19
        
        Palm Trees (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Aug 10, 23:22:41
        
        I'm intelligent and I'm impressed ... (General Chat) - bjt, Aug 10, 22:34:13
        
        keep it coming (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 26, Aug 10, 22:24:07
    - lol you're quite funny (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 26, Aug 10, 22:10:01
      - humour is but an opiate of the people (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 22:11:14
        
        actually, religion is the opiate of the people (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 22:55:20
        
        haha (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:02:41
        
        au contraire my over confident friend (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:06:09
        
        Religion is the opiate of the people (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:09:17
        
        well done (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:12:28
        
        When Marx wrote that was indeed the case (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:17:26
        
        I ain't talking about Europe brother (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:26:24
        
        But Western Europe is important as ithroughout history (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:40:52
        
        look back before that though (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:49:07
        
        Such civilizations, however, (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:53:08
        
        Best write them off then (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:55:26
        
        Undoubtedly advanced, (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:56:45
        
        I wish it had (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:58:24
        
        Universal vs Western Europe (General Chat) - Brandonio, Aug 10, 23:19:27
        
        My argument is that the opiate of the people is changing (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:22:43
        
        rubbish! (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:34:02
        
        Capitalism is a system for the selfish (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 23:38:33
        
        Explain the selfishness of people who run socialist / communists countries (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:28:04
        
        and by the way (General Chat) - Suffolk Yellow, Aug 10, 23:43:27
        
        Capitalism is great - if anyone in the third .. (General Chat) - bjt, Aug 10, 23:43:23
        
        *third world. (n/m) (General Chat) - bjt, Aug 10, 23:44:14
        
        That's what Arcadia is for (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Aug 10, 23:23:28
        
        Have you ever tried haveing sex with a female (General Chat) - SussexCanary, Aug 10, 22:29:41
        
        No .. (General Chat) - bjt, Aug 10, 22:34:58
        
        bollocks (General Chat) - SussexCanary, Aug 10, 22:37:24
        
        Don't forget to correct my spelling mistake (General Chat) - SussexCanary, Aug 10, 22:31:26
- Dresden, was noting compared to the suffering the Soviet Union experienced at.. (General Chat) - Dirty Delia, Aug 10, 21:40:17
  - Soviet Union suffered greatly (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 21:47:23
    - Comrade Baron - you need to do alot more research on the Asian war (General Chat) - Commisar_Canary, Aug 11, 00:30:46
- Twat. Go and post that to people that care. This is a football board. (n/m) (General Chat) - The Baron, Aug 10, 21:36:14
- Too many big words... (n/m) (General Chat) - Klobo04, Aug 10, 21:31:54
- like the majority on here (General Chat) - SCC 26, Aug 10, 21:30:09
  - Oh come on be honest - you are a bit of one aren't you... (n/m) (General Chat) - Muddyfunster, Aug 10, 21:38:58
    - fuck off (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 26, Aug 10, 21:39:18
      - Sorry - meant to be on Baron's message not yours SCC! So I accept the insult (n/m) (General Chat) - Muddyfunster, Aug 10, 21:57:49
        
        lol (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 26, Aug 10, 21:58:54
  - au contraire mikey boy (General Chat) - Baron, Aug 10, 21:35:47
    - the only debate on here (General Chat) - SCC 26, Aug 10, 21:37:42
      - but surely... (General Chat) - Muddyfunster, Aug 10, 21:46:06
        
        What does that say about all the men on here then? (n/m) (General Chat) - SussexCanary, Aug 10, 21:48:46
      - Lets see (n/m) (General Chat) - Berliner Mauer, Aug 10, 21:45:02
      - Is she actually fit? (General Chat) - SussexCanary, Aug 10, 21:43:43
        
        I'll give you onje guess..... (n/m) (General Chat) - Muddyfunster, Aug 10, 21:55:11
        
        errrrrr, where's she from? (General Chat) - SussexCanary, Aug 10, 22:00:09
        
        fuck knows mate (General Chat) - SCC 26, Aug 10, 21:48:10
        
        Please don't ever post the youtube link if they do!!!!!! (n/m) (General Chat) - SussexCanary, Aug 10, 21:49:24

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