But that might be the very problem

No doubt you know the arguments - but the Left does rather like to think of itself as an ideal "movement", made up of all the goodies, and of its opponents as not just wrong, but actually bad. So if it's necessary in the pursuit of its superior cause to trample on a few people on the way, well so be it - it can be justified by the intended destination. Isn't it basically the same attitude that leads to amusement at Charlie Kirk's death, or just to locking people up, who get in the way? It's always seemed to me to be an inherent problem more or less (& obviously, more or less extreme, tho actually quite extreme atm)

Posted By: paulg on November 11th 2026 at 14:00:01

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Walliams (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 11, 08:48:51
- Despicable behaviour with disgusting consequences on the victims. (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 11, 18:05:26
  - Maybe he’ll jump on the populist left wing band wagon like Brand (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 11, 20:44:57
    - However, how about jumping in on the main content of that, which is apparently your (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 11, 22:36:21
    - Left wing is not really populist right now. There are extreme left views but not (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 11, 22:32:40
- Walliams in. A difficult position, proven liar unless (General Chat) - KevinBond, Nov 11, 12:54:56
  - Hear hear (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 11, 20:48:22
- As it stands, I'm uncomfortable with him being totally cancelled (General Chat) - Charles21, Nov 11, 10:46:35
  - 15 y o girls are dangerous... I remember what they were like when I was teenager... (General Chat) - promethian1, Nov 11, 21:18:11
  - Yes if hundreds of them have done it I hope hundreds of them get cancelled (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 11, 18:06:36
  - He groped a 15 year old girl's tits. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Nov 11, 13:23:03
    - I did that when I was (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 11, 20:45:34
      - 15 (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 11, 20:45:45
  - I don’t think you can have read all the stuff / watched the tv show (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 11, 13:04:49
    - or wrote the theme tune, or sung the theme tune. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 15:00:18
      - 😂 (n/m) (General Chat) - SimonOTBC, Nov 11, 19:38:27
  - Jesus Christ 🙄 (n/m) (General Chat) - Azteca, Nov 11, 11:01:40
  - Is there doubt he was grooming 15 year olds? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 11, 10:59:35
    - Usually we wait for these things to be proven (General Chat) - Charles21, Nov 11, 11:06:37
      - ^ doubling down (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 11, 11:16:39
      - You mean whether a jury thinks a crime was committed? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 11, 11:13:53
      - You're confusing criminal thresholds with professional standards (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 11:12:58
  - He did groom a 15 year old and had underage girls stay at his (n/m) (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Nov 11, 10:54:08
  - Well, one of the girls says she was 15 (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 11, 10:54:02
  - You've, like, read *all* the stuff right? (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 10:53:58
  - Come round (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 11, 10:51:53
    - What time? (n/m) (General Chat) - Charles21, Nov 11, 11:01:18
- Wossy doing his best to distance himself (General Chat) - Yurik Hunt, Nov 11, 10:05:44
  - What is it with all these chaps getting their nob out (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 11, 11:56:24
    - greg wallace (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 11, 14:22:19
  - Josie Long's take on the whole thing was very good, I thought (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Nov 11, 10:37:29
    - That was absolutely brillers. I saw Josie Long around 2010 time. She had a stand up (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 11, 20:36:32
    - & how do you feel about the political adulation? (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 11, 10:47:15
      - There were very, very bitter arguments about this on the left at the time (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Nov 11, 12:10:33
        
        I couldn’t stand him either. It’s hard to describe to people who have fallen in with the (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 11, 18:21:56
        
        But that might be the very problem (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 11, 14:00:01
        
        Half the problem is you think anybody not far right is in a movement. (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 11, 18:24:04
        
        What on earth makes you think that's what I think? (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 11, 20:13:04
        
        The Brand story is primarily one about the failure of the media IMO (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Nov 11, 18:34:42
        
        Indeed. However, whilst enablers should certainly not be ignored, we have to remember that (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Nov 11, 18:53:02
      - Owen Jones basically admitted he knew (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 11, 11:57:43
  - A bit harsh (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 10:18:24
    - Just going on Allen's interpretation of the remarks (General Chat) - Yurik Hunt, Nov 11, 10:22:23
      - You're right - sorry (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 10:25:49
        
        You're not supposed to apologise on the wrath (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 11, 10:48:36
        
        😄 (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 10:52:28
- vast numbers of people just laughed along with all this stuff for years (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 11, 09:45:49
  - i didn't (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 11, 10:50:11
    - Me neither (General Chat) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Nov 11, 18:38:11
  - I had no idea that Walliams was problematic like that (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 10:20:40
    - Brand was (& I was referring to him really) (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 11, 10:32:07
      - That joke was weird af. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Nov 11, 10:36:04
- You have to feel for Matt Lucas though (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Nov 11, 08:54:33
  - Little Britain was incredibly popular at the time (General Chat) - shoddy, Nov 11, 09:29:12

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