VMT

It global warming not local warming.

Outsourcing manufacturing and oil / gas production reduces UK emissions but does not reduce global emissions.

Now we are in an incipient AI revolution which will profoundly change many aspects of life and the global economy. AI has huge energy requirements. This energy supply must be dependable. The UK needs it's own data centres and baseload power for these.

A rough estimate for pre AI cost of the UK to actually transition to net zero was 3-3.5 Trillion GBP. Now with AI it's much less clear but also much more expensive. 5+ Trillion?

Posted By: Timmy_Goat on June 23rd 2026 at 13:33:40

Message Thread

Serious question: If you are anti-net zero what DO you think we should do about climate (General Chat) - Knitted Jesus, Jun 23, 13:03:21
- The tech has already made the green alternatives a no brainer (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Jun 23, 19:07:24
- Surely the climate has always changed and always will (General Chat) - Disco, Jun 23, 16:43:43
- Right, I'm back after the shittest flounce ever (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jun 23, 15:28:44
  - “green shit is being deployed” (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 16:01:49
- It doesn’t look like anyone who is anti net zero has answered yet (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 15:00:57
  - The only answer you'll get is the "we can't stop it on our own" one (General Chat) - megson, Jun 23, 15:12:34
    - I think it just goes into the 'too difficult' category (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 15:24:59
      - Exactly (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 23, 15:41:49
        
        I think doing a bit each is actually a pretty big deal though (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 15:59:04
- Pretend it’s not real. Be in denial. Invest in air con companies (n/m) (General Chat) - footymadman, Jun 23, 14:55:18
- AI will solve it all... (General Chat) - Jester, Jun 23, 14:41:07
- Wok (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 23, 14:32:31
  - Air fryer (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 23, 15:42:19
  - Pansexual (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 23, 14:34:59
    - lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 23, 14:35:45
  - e nonsense (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jun 23, 14:32:52
- i'm rather hoping my grandchildren will see the dawn of a world (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 23, 14:09:54
- I would assume that the response would be that we should make the most of it (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 13:39:10
  - I’m applying my own thought process to it, which is the wrong approach (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 15:06:03
  - this doesnt make sense though (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 23, 13:50:22
    - I know (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 13:52:04
    - I think he's assuming the world's governments will never (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:51:40
  - The problem with a net zero approach is the length of time it will take to have an impact (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 13:47:22
    - And UK doing net zero while America, China etc (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:50:24
      - That’s what Spain and the then Yugoslavia did in the 70s (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 13:53:35
        
        We've got some awesome beaches (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:55:31
        
        last year anglian water dumped sewage into our rivers and seas (General Chat) - Tombs, Jun 23, 14:18:10
        
        Yum yum, fancy a swim in Gorleston sewage water? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 14:20:15
        
        It’s lovely in Scotland (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 23, 13:58:29
        
        Silt mainly (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 13:58:22
      - China is doing a huge amount (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 23, 13:51:20
        
        They are, but it's so massive, with so many people (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:52:34
        
        Maybe I meant India (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:53:31
        
        Cochin airport (5th biggest) is entirely solar powered. Has been for 10 years. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Jun 23, 14:20:12
        
        Developing solar power incredibly rapidly, but (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Jun 23, 13:56:35
        
        Catching up on the disastrous after-effects of our colonialism, mainly (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 13:54:52
        
        Them nasty whiteys again. (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jun 23, 14:12:13
        
        Oh no (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:55:49
        
        I know (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 13:59:33
        
        You know (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 23, 14:00:24
- My outdoor thermometer peaked at 47° in the shade last night. (General Chat) - tudders, Jun 23, 13:37:59
  - Which departments? Menswear, haberdashery and kitchenware? (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 23, 13:47:24
    - Lingerie. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Jun 23, 14:14:26
- Buy aircon (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:07:43
  - Yes (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 23, 13:11:42
    - Agree, we try but we are small fry. (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jun 23, 14:07:56
      - For a start we can all stop buying so much tat we don't (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 14:09:39
    - VMT (General Chat) - Timmy_Goat, Jun 23, 13:33:40
      - We'll all be drinking our own piss when the water is cut off as well (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 23, 13:35:30
        
        Can’t we drink each other’s piss? (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 23, 13:56:52
        
        50% - Poor show (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jun 23, 14:09:31
        
        I bet your piss is 50% wine (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 14:01:51
        
        A bit specialist (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 23, 13:49:42
        
        And we'll need Al Carns to lead our defence of the English Channel (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:37:07
        
        That is not unforeseeable (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 23, 14:00:01
        
        surely he's gonna sort out the gape rangs first? (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 23, 13:46:10
        
        No, nobody will touch that. (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jun 23, 14:09:03
  - But don't buy Akon by accident (n/m) (General Chat) - Lentil Weaver, Jun 23, 13:09:40
    - Or an acorn (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jun 23, 13:10:56
- Imagine if the climate change was going the other way, ie it was getting progressively (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Jun 23, 13:06:56
  - This may, of course, still happen (n/m) (General Chat) - APB, Jun 23, 14:01:40

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