I think there are two genuinely world class players there - Root and Stokes

and two who may turn out to be very good, Bethell and Brook (but both have been very hyped - it's too early to really know).

I don't think your heart is really in it with that seam attack, but we want to convince ourselves they're good, because they're the best we've got.

Posted By: Tricky Hawes on January 9th 2026 at 11:45:26

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Cricketing woes (Other Sports) - paulg, Jan 9, 09:21:40
- I like Ronay and generally agree with him on a lot of things (Other Sports) - APB, Jan 9, 11:31:54
  - Hmm (Other Sports) - APB, Jan 9, 11:48:38
    - what he doesn't like about him (Other Sports) - paulg, Jan 9, 11:56:00
      - I understand that, but one man's louche is another man's laid back (Other Sports) - APB, Jan 9, 13:11:14
    - So I guess, maybe a bit more focus and leadership (Other Sports) - APB, Jan 9, 11:54:00
  - I think he's one of the worst examples (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 9, 11:42:17
- Thing is... we do have some really good players (Other Sports) - norwaay, Jan 9, 11:27:06
  - I think there are two genuinely world class players there - Root and Stokes (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 9, 11:45:26
    - Tongue and Carse's averages were right up there (Other Sports) - norwaay, Jan 9, 11:48:55
      - Archer's world class when he's fit (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jan 9, 12:44:17
        
        Sounds like you end up in the same place as me? (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jan 9, 14:54:12
  - the whole culture has to change (Other Sports) - paulg, Jan 9, 11:40:02
    - Some valid points but basically a McCullum hit piece (Other Sports) - APB, Jan 9, 14:36:11
      - Yep, win the Ashes and no one cares about the Brook story (Other Sports) - megson, Jan 9, 15:04:43
    - Yep, spot on. (Other Sports) - norwaay, Jan 9, 11:44:56
      - yes - some really good players - but we didn't get from them their best (Other Sports) - paulg, Jan 9, 11:49:56
    - imagine ricky ponting get his hands on this lot! (Other Sports) - paulg, Jan 9, 11:42:39
      - Allan Border too. He was the one who turned the tanker when they were shit in the mid 80s. (n/m) (Other Sports) - norwaay, Jan 9, 11:45:35
        
        v v much that (n/m) (Other Sports) - paulg, Jan 9, 11:52:23

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