"...the arrogance of the English media, fans and players..."

More like the ignorance leading to people believing that's unique to England.

The Dutch are the same, if not worse, being quite patronising about any team which is not playing in Orange.

The Portuguese are also convinced they will win it, as are the Italians. I was in Warsaw when the 2002 fixtures came out and the newspaper had a prediction wallchart with Poland reaching the final.

It's the same everywhere. It's only the British puritanical sense of guilt at blowing your own trumpet which makes us feel so bad about it.

Posted By: Steve in Holland on June 15th 2006 at 12:26:08

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"...the arrogance of the English media, fans and players..." (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jun 15, 12:26:08
- Ignorance my arse... (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 12:39:42
  - Yeah they inflict it on me. And the Germans and the Belgians. (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jun 15, 13:05:33
    - Well I think Holland could actually win it (n/m) (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 13:09:42
      - Yes, and they think we could. (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jun 15, 13:11:09
  - how do we?????? (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 15, 12:45:49
  - Do we? Must have missed that (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:43:19
- Also, hardly any English fans actually really believe we're (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:31:04
  - this is the bizarre thing (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 15, 12:37:36
    - Yes but the Irish and Scots media convince them we all expect to win. Irony ? (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jun 15, 13:06:08
- 100% agree (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:29:32
  - Can't you just rise above our pathetic media? (n/m) (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 12:40:40
    - Don't read our pathetic media (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:44:50
      - Does being English and proud mean having to dislike the Scots? (n/m) (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 12:45:54
        
        No - I think you've missed the point (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:49:00
        
        Well i want England to do well... (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 12:59:47
        
        There has been a real rise in anti-English feeling in Scotland (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 15, 13:05:51
        
        No it's cos they grew steadily more shit at football while we got better (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jun 15, 13:08:56
        
        That didn't help. And at rugby too (well during the late 80s and then 90s) (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Git, Jun 15, 13:26:15
        
        more relevantly you should turn that around (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 15, 12:47:26
        
        Why? It's a myth (n/m) (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 12:48:02
        
        Only the twats who thought Braveheart was real hate the English (n/m) (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 12:48:47
        
        Hating the English and hating the English football team are different things (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Jun 15, 13:07:00
  - re the German flag (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 15, 12:33:31
    - Here... (Other Football) - Clare, Jun 15, 13:23:42
    - No idea - but they don't wave it much (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:35:02
      - they seemed to be waving it a lot last night (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 15, 12:35:43
        
        Meant on cars, out of windows etc (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:45:07
        
        No they are just the same...a collegue of mine was moaning... (Other Football) - Swiss Yellow, Jun 15, 13:02:44
        
        perhaps (ironically given that they're German) they have more taste (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 15, 12:46:38
        
        Haha - yeah maybe. Their chavs just wear (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:50:20
  - Are they really ashamed?.. (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jun 15, 12:31:16
  - Yet a silly joke about a player called scotland and look at the reaction (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 15, 12:30:18
    - Didn't see any of the Scotland stuff (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:33:39
      - Most Scots want England to do well... (Other Football) - Small, Jun 15, 12:41:51
        
        I'd like to see that scientifically tested (n/m) (Other Football) - mr carra, Jun 15, 12:48:57
        
        Prove it (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 12:45:16
        
        prove yours as well (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Jun 15, 13:11:42
        
        What am I proving? What have I stated as FACT? (n/m) (Other Football) - duke of york, Jun 15, 13:26:49
- I'm gonna stick my neck and state, on the record.... (Other Football) - Fierce Panda, Jun 15, 12:27:57

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