As unpalatable as you probably consider it that is probably the best Ukraine can hope for.

The current attritional warfare is only going to result in further gains by Russia. With the US pulling its support and Europe divided and far too late in waking up to its obligations other options are few. May not seem fair but war (and life) seldom is.

Posted By: The Gaffer on March 4th 2025 at 13:04:22

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Trump following Putin’s orders then. All Ukranian aid frozen (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Mar 4, 06:51:37
- How much would you spend, for how long, and to what end? (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 4, 09:35:58
  - Said Chamberlain in 1938. (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Mar 4, 09:47:23
    - You need to decide whether your interests are threatened, and to what extent (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 4, 10:09:24
      - This Ukraine ceasefire (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 4, 10:11:40
- it makes sense though that the usa has bilateral talks with russia (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 4, 08:53:33
  - indeed (n/m) (General Chat) - shoddy, Mar 4, 10:56:00
  - This is possibly one of the most sensible posts I’ve seen here in years (General Chat) - JoeyDeacon, Mar 4, 09:44:33
    - It will never catch on. (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Mar 4, 14:19:11
    - no worries, it will be interesting to see where we fit in with the new "eufor" or whatever (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 4, 13:48:07
    - Obviously it has to stop (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 4, 09:51:09
      - Yank thinking seems to be… (General Chat) - loz, Mar 4, 09:52:55
        
        As unpalatable as you probably consider it that is probably the best Ukraine can hope for. (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Mar 4, 13:04:22
  - Intrigued what a peace deal looks like (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 4, 09:03:45
    - the us of europe (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 4, 09:06:37
      - that's a highly unlikely outcome I suspect (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Mar 4, 10:30:40
        
        well... (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 4, 13:31:02
      - If only we had thought of this a few years ago… (n/m) (General Chat) - Snakepit Divorcee, Mar 4, 09:36:45
  - What concessions is he making Russia make? (General Chat) - loz, Mar 4, 08:58:13
    - i wouldn't overly worry about it just enjoy your pancakes (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 4, 09:05:31
      - Unless our new overlords ban them (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 4, 09:13:57
  - Gorbachev a very different animal to Putin though tbf (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Mar 4, 08:55:54
- Agree with Flynn here (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 4, 08:07:04
  - Yep I see Musk wants Zelensky to move to another country … (General Chat) - loz, Mar 4, 08:14:03
  - us troops to be pulled out of europe next (General Chat) - Tombs, Mar 4, 08:13:16
- this is a great read on this subject (General Chat) - shoddy, Mar 4, 07:31:46
  - What an absolute pile of steaming monkey crap (General Chat) - LincolnshireCanary, Mar 4, 12:09:46
    - that's shoddy for you (General Chat) - Cable Gap Pioneer, Mar 4, 18:24:09
    - Haha that’s unherd for you (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 4, 17:00:36
  - Unherd (General Chat) - SCC 28, Mar 4, 07:45:37
- Clowns to the left of me.... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Mar 4, 06:55:34
  - What do you mean? (n/m) (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Mar 4, 07:12:32

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