I think the problem with a lot of these movements

is that they are well intentioned, but ultimately are more concerned with being morally right than they are with being effective.

Provocative actions like taking the knee, or wearing the rainbow armband, are great ideas in theory, imo. But recent history has shown that such actions tend to entrench views on either side, rather than encourage genuine debate and reform.

In which case, what are they actually achieving?

Posted By: Mecagoenti on November 21st 2022 at 10:30:08

Message Thread

Armbanned (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 09:53:40
- Now we are going to have half hour of jug ears blubbing about it. (n/m) (Other Football) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 21, 10:59:43
  - You really are an obnoxious twat (n/m) (Other Football) - helvegtheowl, Nov 21, 12:15:40
  - I'm sure you'll cope (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 11:00:24
    - I will be laughing at the pathetic state of our country. (Other Football) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 21, 11:02:13
      - You seem paryictilary riled and uncomfortable with it all (n/m) (Other Football) - Azteca, Nov 21, 11:16:26
        
        Not really. (Other Football) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 21, 11:27:39
        
        *particularly (n/m) (Other Football) - Azteca, Nov 21, 11:16:52
      - If you guys make the final (Other Football) - Wrath analytica, Nov 21, 11:04:07
        
        The actor in Ukraine probably make an appearance as well (n/m) (Other Football) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 21, 11:11:55
- Well ,people are talking about this so it's already raised awareness . (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 21, 10:55:29
  - Awareness is indeed good, and it has exposed FIFA a bit too, but (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Nov 21, 11:33:54
    - That's making the assumption that Qatar is a draconian place where thought and free will (Other Football) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 21, 11:45:27
      - Well no it's not (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Nov 21, 11:59:31
        
        To perhaps be clearer (Other Football) - Legacy Fan, Nov 21, 12:06:25
  - It has, but the England captain getting booked for it (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 10:56:59
    - True,but he'd get hammered if it cost us the game.maybe wear our armband (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 21, 10:59:24
- The perfect result IMHO.... (Other Football) - usacanary, Nov 21, 10:36:10
- Imagine the horror of being shown a yellow card. Pray for Harry (n/m) (Other Football) - Ben, Nov 21, 10:13:52
  - Gazza didn’t take it well tbf (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 21, 10:22:24
    - haha, that's true (n/m) (Other Football) - Ben, Nov 21, 10:27:43
- FIFA are handling this dreadfully. When they said concentrate on football (Other Football) - Azteca, Nov 21, 10:13:24
- Players should make a stand and all wear one ffs (n/m) (Other Football) - loz, Nov 21, 10:08:11
  - Agree Loz. Be one hell of a statement. (n/m) (Other Football) - Biggles, Nov 21, 10:13:27
    - Would it be a hell of a statement? (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Nov 21, 10:17:43
      - Ok then, they should have all gone out wearing pink tutu’s. Is that better? 😂😂 (n/m) (Other Football) - Biggles, Nov 21, 12:56:50
      - You aren't allowed to have or voice these opinions the wrath will explode (n/m) (Other Football) - ParrotPuncher, Nov 21, 10:42:10
        
        Don’t be silly. He just has. (n/m) (Other Football) - Bravo win or die, Nov 21, 12:14:25
        
        Your trans and homophobic remarks on here are disgusting (n/m) (Other Football) - Lentil Weaver, Nov 21, 12:06:21
      - This kind of comment drives me crazy. We get one WC every four years. I've maybe got 5 or (Other Football) - Bravo win or die, Nov 21, 10:39:02
        
        VVVVVMT (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 21, 11:17:45
        
        well, that's exactly why it would be making a genuine statement (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Nov 21, 10:44:20
        
        Disagree. If they are as stuck in their ways as you seem to think they are, then why would (Other Football) - Bravo win or die, Nov 21, 10:54:08
        
        They've made it virtue signalling by chickening out of taking a yellow card imo (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 10:49:34
        
        How many can you get before you're banned? Maybe they could have shared out the captaincy? (n/m) (Other Football) - Bravo win or die, Nov 21, 10:57:24
        
        Two I think. Wiped at some stage. (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 10:58:54
        
        If only Gary Lineker was still captain (n/m) (Other Football) - Bravo win or die, Nov 21, 11:04:58
        
        It's just that now we're there, I think we've got to try to win (n/m) (Other Football) - Bravo win or die, Nov 21, 10:58:17
        
        yeah, that definitely makes it look worse (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Nov 21, 10:54:38
      - Not participating would cost the FA money (Other Football) - mr carra, Nov 21, 10:23:59
        
        And a chance of winning the World Cup (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 21, 10:29:51
      - Aaaarghh cunts everywhere (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 21, 10:23:22
        
        I think the problem with a lot of these movements (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Nov 21, 10:30:08
        
        If kneeling offends someone (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 21, 10:32:40
        
        I agree with the first part (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Nov 21, 10:50:28
        
        It provokes racists (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 21, 11:36:21
      - Qatar obviously do very much care, or they wouldn't have banned it (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 10:18:42
        
        I think they care, because they see it as a sign of disrespect (Other Football) - Mecagoenti, Nov 21, 10:26:18
        
        I thought fifa have always discouraged political protests? Or was that the ioc? (n/m) (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 21, 10:21:29
        
        They do I think. FA saying the normal sanction would be a fine (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 10:23:07
        
        On the face of it,it would ,if both sides had agreed before kick off (Other Football) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Nov 21, 10:28:54
- such an awful look (Other Football) - shoddy, Nov 21, 10:01:02
  - Apparently we are (n/m) (Other Football) - jamesward, Nov 21, 10:01:45
    - GTFI (n/m) (Other Football) - SCC 28, Nov 21, 10:13:02

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