It’s not impossible to tell sadly
I’m not for a moment disputing that this is a global thing, and Ukraine/covid are the main sources and are common to every nation.
But, to ignore Brexit is to ignore an important piece of the puzzle for the UK. Brexit has taken a big old handful of sand and thrown it right into the engine of the economy. Frictionless trade was so important, and now it’s….not quite so frictionless. It might all look small, but it adds up. Which is why the pound has slowly, steadily, gracefully fallen over time, and this will give us a bit more inflation that we might have had otherwise. Which is why we will, all other things equal, have a weaker economy than we otherwise would, and more inflation.
Don’t just take my word for it on the sand in the machine thing.
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15% reduction in trade intensity as a central estimate. Just one concrete effect. Anyone who is in the “too small and uncertain to measure” camp just isn’t reading into this.
There is also freedom of movement. Which I won’t get into, as I don’t want to stir up emotions. Whether “things” are better or worse without it is a matter of opinion. But it’s making our labour market much tighter and less flexible. It’s part of the sand in the machine. And this argument that “we’ll all just get paid more won’t we?”. Well I don’t see evidence of that. Firms just leave and go to somewhere where there is (relatively) more labour. Slowly slowly slowly, not off a cliff, but they do. And nobody wants to do s**t but essential jobs. So firms that need that just suffer.
And no, trade deals with New Zealand won’t come close to making us net winners. They don’t even put a tiny dent in the down side. Especially not in a world where transport costs just went through the roof.
So let’s not pretend this isn’t a global issue, cos it is. And let’s not pretend that it’s all due to Brexit, because it isn’t. But equally, let’s not pretend that things aren’t a bit worse because of Brexit, because they are. And what is clear is that the economic pain we all face will be worse and will go on for longer because of Brexit.
Posted By: Under soil heating on August 4th 2022 at 17:10:32
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- Rates up 0.5% to 1.75% (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 12:04:55
- Local bus company here went bust yesterday (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 4, 12:06:03
- Albeit by foot (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 4, 14:07:02
- That'll be a re-education camp for you, sonny. Stop talking Britain down. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Aug 4, 12:36:11
- I think you mean went bussed (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 4, 12:22:13
- No Coaching.... (n/m) (General Chat) - usacanary, Aug 4, 19:09:01
- POTD^ (n/m) (General Chat) - Jumbo1, Aug 4, 17:47:18
- You haven't entered yours yet (n/m) (General Chat) - Huge Small, Aug 4, 19:16:37
- oh no (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Aug 4, 19:29:50
- You haven't entered yours yet (n/m) (General Chat) - Huge Small, Aug 4, 19:16:37
- 🎩☝️ (n/m) (General Chat) - JD3, Aug 4, 12:39:36
- Inflation to peak at 13% (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 12:06:52
- 15% I saw some where and UK in recession for 2 years (General Chat) - CB41, Aug 4, 12:51:38
- Interest on my mortgage would have trebled (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 4, 12:12:50
- Took a five year fix 18 months ago... thank fuck. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Aug 4, 12:37:03
- A lot of people are going to be very fucked if rates get back (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 13:03:38
- They've been too low for too long (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 4, 14:04:40
- Who has it buggered? Savers? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 14:21:14
- Asset values have spiralled (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 4, 15:48:25
- Yep. Was 22 when I bought my first (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Aug 4, 17:17:38
- Savers and Prem Bond Holders. And also triggered inflation (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 14:24:21
- Ukraine, Covid and (for us) Brexit triggered inflation (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 14:32:47
- What a disgusting view. Brought up wrong, (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 4, 22:17:27
- Agree on the savings comment. Dont agree on Brexit (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 15:01:14
- The pound has plummeted against the dollar since Brexit (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 15:02:53
- In 2016 on the day of the brexit result the dollar was pretty much (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 4, 22:20:43
- Eurozone inflation around 8.9%, US around 9.1%, UK around 9.4% (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 4, 15:05:08
- Exactly OG. I dont like Brexit but it's blamed for everything (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 15:07:05
- the joy of something that can't be disproved (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 4, 15:40:49
- Impossible to tell but it's a global issue. Post Covid and Ukraine the main drivers etc (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 16:41:41
- It’s not impossible to tell sadly (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Aug 4, 17:10:32
- It's a factor for sure. (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 17:13:44
- It's just % of a factor. Complex. Lot's of wheels in play. (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 17:14:45
- It's a factor for sure. (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 17:13:44
- It’s not impossible to tell sadly (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Aug 4, 17:10:32
- Impossible to tell but it's a global issue. Post Covid and Ukraine the main drivers etc (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 16:41:41
- the joy of something that can't be disproved (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 4, 15:40:49
- But nevertheless a factor (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 15:07:02
- Yes, must be adding a bit, but Spain’s at 10.4%, Netherlands at 10.3% (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 4, 15:17:10
- The Euro is in trouble as a currency, but that's been coming since Greece problems tbh (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 15:21:05
- My main point was that it was almost fuck all to do with low interest rates (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 15:20:48
- Historically it has a huge amount to do with interest rates (General Chat) - Tony Martin, Aug 4, 22:21:45
- Yes! It’s supply side inflation not demand side inflation (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 4, 15:33:30
- You don't have to agree, it's a free country, but you'd be wrong. (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 15:21:30
- lol (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Aug 4, 15:25:51
- Swiss inflation is at a 30year high (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 15:07:50
- Yes, must be adding a bit, but Spain’s at 10.4%, Netherlands at 10.3% (General Chat) - Old Git, Aug 4, 15:17:10
- Exactly OG. I dont like Brexit but it's blamed for everything (n/m) (General Chat) - munter, Aug 4, 15:07:05
- The pound has plummeted against the dollar since Brexit (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 15:02:53
- Ukraine, Covid and (for us) Brexit triggered inflation (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 14:32:47
- Asset values have spiralled (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 4, 15:48:25
- Who has it buggered? Savers? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 14:21:14
- They've been too low for too long (General Chat) - paulg, Aug 4, 14:04:40
- A lot of people are going to be very fucked if rates get back (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 13:03:38
- hmm (General Chat) - CWC, Aug 4, 12:32:37
- Should probably have gone for the 10 year fix (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 4, 12:41:34
- And the new fix EDF are offering me is at £669 a month... (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Aug 4, 12:29:50
- Tbf, they need it (General Chat) - CB41, Aug 4, 12:49:24
- Don't hate the player, hate the game (n/m) (General Chat) - trafford_canary, Aug 4, 14:07:43
- Oh indeed, Can't blame them. It's decades of uk governments flogging (General Chat) - CB41, Aug 4, 14:28:45
- Yep.We ,well mostly the tories but a little Labour, sold our souls (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Aug 4, 15:57:00
- Oh indeed, Can't blame them. It's decades of uk governments flogging (General Chat) - CB41, Aug 4, 14:28:45
- Don't hate the player, hate the game (n/m) (General Chat) - trafford_canary, Aug 4, 14:07:43
- Bargain! (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 4, 12:41:59
- Tbf, they need it (General Chat) - CB41, Aug 4, 12:49:24
- Took a five year fix 18 months ago... thank fuck. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Aug 4, 12:37:03
- Local bus company here went bust yesterday (General Chat) - SCC 28, Aug 4, 12:06:03
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