A major issue for Putin is the demonstrably higher standard of living

In the Ukraine right on his border. Suggests their system is better than Russia’s.

Also worth pointing out Ukraine was denied permission to start a process towards NATO membership in 2008 for fear such a move would provoke Russia.

A problem is the heavy reliance of much of Europe on Russian supplies of fossil fuels and in particular gas.

Posted By: Old Man on February 24th 2022 at 09:11:04

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Invasion started by the looks. Good luck Ukraine (n/m) (General Chat) - DiscoDale, Feb 24, 04:53:48
- Can anyone explain to me why Putin wants to invade Ukraine? (General Chat) - NxNW, Feb 24, 08:14:01
  - All the points below are true. Basically it comes down to the following.... (General Chat) - Saucerer, Feb 24, 11:05:14
    - Macron a man of substance?! (General Chat) - paulg, Feb 24, 12:05:53
  - A major issue for Putin is the demonstrably higher standard of living (General Chat) - Old Man, Feb 24, 09:11:04
  - Ukraine have been making noises that they want to join Nato (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 24, 08:29:54
    - Ffs!! (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Feb 24, 08:46:38
      - just stating what i have read (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 24, 08:48:15
        
        In a Russian newspaper? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Feb 24, 08:50:05
        
        maybe (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 24, 08:53:39
        
        ... (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 24, 08:54:42
    - Poor Putin. Leave him alone he’s doing his best, right? (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:39:28
      - pardon (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 24, 08:46:55
    - I dont think he wants Ukraine to be neutral at all (n/m) (General Chat) - earlydoors, Feb 24, 08:34:41
      - VMT (General Chat) - SCC 28, Feb 24, 08:37:44
        
        I know, reading the post you would think this war has been forced on him (n/m) (General Chat) - earlydoors, Feb 24, 08:46:01
        
        Surely it’s clear. Don’t be the aggressor and you have nothing to fear from NATO? (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:57:24
  - Wars make leaders temporarily popular in their home country sadly 😔 (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:15:05
    - But doesn't Putin just 'silence' his opponents? He's got the leader's gig for as long as (General Chat) - NxNW, Feb 24, 08:16:47
      - There’s a tipping point though if the whole of his country is against him. His popularity (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:17:50
- I have a friend who lives in Ternopil. Very sad. (n/m) (General Chat) - Biggles, Feb 24, 07:50:54
- Pretty scary x (n/m) (General Chat) - Nelsons final flanel, Feb 24, 07:46:47
- Hopefully the news of reality comes with a trigger warning (General Chat) - paulg, Feb 24, 07:43:18
- For once it looks like we were telling the truth about their intentions, putin's just (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Feb 24, 07:19:49
  - Most power hungry dictators are 😔 (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:16:37
    - eg happy to let tonnes of people die to personally benefit themselves (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:19:58
- Good luck Europe if anyone thinks it will stop at (General Chat) - Malkybarneedledick, Feb 24, 07:04:28
- And the world will respond with more sanctions (General Chat) - SCC 28, Feb 24, 05:40:17
  - A few weeks after those individuals will have been able to move their money/assets (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:15:30
  - Covid expert to Ukraine expert (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Feb 24, 07:38:48
    - Must be hard for you right now (General Chat) - SCC 28, Feb 24, 07:42:01
      - Trump would have stopped this (n/m) (General Chat) - Boris, Feb 24, 08:08:16
        
        How? He was bessies with Putin (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:20:38
      - Ok expert on everything.... (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Feb 24, 08:04:08
        
        What’s the conspiracy this time? Are sky news making up the war now? (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:18:20
    - Not helpful (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Feb 24, 07:39:39
      - It’s his hobby since he lost the kids (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Feb 24, 07:43:14
        
        That's out of order. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Feb 24, 09:41:50
        
        I've no idea what he's talking about? (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Feb 24, 09:52:02
        
        What? (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Feb 24, 08:03:36
  - What do we do though ? Full on war which would (General Chat) - Malkybarneedledick, Feb 24, 07:35:35
    - Cyber warfare. Reset all their passwords and the internet (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 08:19:01
    - Proper sanctions in the first place would have at least sent … (General Chat) - loz, Feb 24, 07:36:35
  - Crack on (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Feb 24, 06:54:49
    - Norsky's already on his way... (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Feb 24, 08:53:54
      - Wrong. I do not have grey hair! (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Feb 24, 09:00:34
        
        I used to say that. And chuckle at my balding friends.. (General Chat) - Captain Bligh, Feb 24, 09:10:14
        
        Sven Goran Eriksson still manage to do okay (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Feb 24, 09:24:39
  - Ours have been pitiful (n/m) (General Chat) - loz, Feb 24, 06:36:10

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