There is a bit of a problem with the civil service in all this
Simon Case is in over his head - no-one in that position asked to examine potential parties when he himself went to one should even think twice before recusing themselves; he was a political appointment frankly and is not up to that extremely difficult job.
Sue Gray is accountable to...whom, exactly?
All of which - very unfairly as most civil servants I know are as appalled as I am about all this - casts something of a shadow.
There is a context of constant rule avoidance/bad governance much of which is not from the Civil Service of course: "our guy" broke the conduct rules? Change the rules! Illegal prorogation? Stop Judicial Reviews! People protesting? Ban protests! Once upon a time the Civil Service would have stood fast against this kind of thing - even Thatcher had to persuade her mandarins to go along with her agenda, she didn't at all do it by diktat - but "Simon Case's Mob" seems far more cowed, and therefore complicit, I'm afraid. As I say I know that this is to the horror of a number of really quite senior mandarins.
Sue Gray shouldn't be doing the review, that should be a judge; judges are at least credibly independent, at least for now. That feels a bit unfair on Gray who's nobody's fool or shill, she's always been very much her own woman: but in the context of the murk at the top just now it's what should be happening.
And someone, somewhere needs to get a bloody grip and restore good governance. It's a habit we've got out of as a country and we need to get right back into it. There are very good people - Tories and Labour alike - who are capable of this. I hope one of them is in charge sooner rather than later.
Posted By: Old Man on January 12th 2022 at 15:10:50
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- I know twitter is full of bots and that but wtf at the number of people (General Chat) - Charles21, Jan 12, 13:23:58
- Iβm constantly astonished the majority of people gave them this power (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:28:36
- Wonder what other big decisions in recent years he was lying about (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:38:25
- Iraq war? Oh that was your mob ππ (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 12, 14:41:02
- Stop now please (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jan 12, 14:39:25
- Ok (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:43:01
- Wonder what other big decisions in recent years he was lying about (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:38:25
- As a civil servant... I couldn't possibly comment... (General Chat) - Worthing Yellow, Jan 12, 14:21:31
- There is a bit of a problem with the civil service in all this (General Chat) - Old Man, Jan 12, 15:10:50
- π (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 16:22:02
- There is a bit of a problem with the civil service in all this (General Chat) - Old Man, Jan 12, 15:10:50
- you're right one rule for him and one rule for us (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 12, 13:34:30
- Would need to be an independent police force as the Met β¦ (General Chat) - loz, Jan 12, 13:42:46
- Thatβs the weird thing for me (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jan 12, 14:03:12
- who knows? lack of resources, overstretch, other priorities, they despise you (General Chat) - Tombs, Jan 12, 13:38:57
- totally agree with you (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 12, 13:44:12
- I think the police have said they're not looking into it? So far, anyway (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Jan 12, 13:35:51
- This one I thought they were (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Jan 12, 13:47:18
- Better not have been you grassing me up!? (n/m) (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 12, 13:35:40
- do i have reason too (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Jan 12, 13:36:52
- Would need to be an independent police force as the Met β¦ (General Chat) - loz, Jan 12, 13:42:46
- All as bad as each other (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 12, 13:34:00
- Wow. You really believe that? Astonishing (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:29:23
- What about the labour member who attended a funeral (General Chat) - ParrotPuncher, Jan 12, 14:40:12
- Wow. You really believe that? Astonishing (n/m) (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:29:23
- The c88t needs to be removed from office (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jan 12, 13:30:27
- Fuck off bucks. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jan 12, 13:31:09
- The immaturity you show is legendary (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jan 12, 14:34:29
- hiya! (n/m) (General Chat) - Fuck_off_Bucks, Jan 12, 14:49:39
- The immaturity you show is legendary (General Chat) - MonkeyPuzzle, Jan 12, 14:34:29
- Fuck off bucks. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jan 12, 13:31:09
- No matter who you vote for, it must be clear that he should resign (General Chat) - earlydoors, Jan 12, 13:29:10
- Other MPs at PMQs asking Boris to do the honourable thing (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jan 12, 13:55:28
- And he basically telling them to shove it where the sun don't shine. Hahaha. (n/m) (General Chat) - Larrikin, Jan 12, 15:27:44
- Well he didn't, so there's that. (n/m) (General Chat) - norwaay, Jan 12, 16:10:35
- His record was very clear and obvious before being voted in (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:33:13
- And he basically telling them to shove it where the sun don't shine. Hahaha. (n/m) (General Chat) - Larrikin, Jan 12, 15:27:44
- Other MPs at PMQs asking Boris to do the honourable thing (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Jan 12, 13:55:28
- I may be making a huge presumption here (General Chat) - norwaay, Jan 12, 13:28:30
- Two years before the next election (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Jan 12, 16:57:49
- yes, lots of them but also (General Chat) - Charles21, Jan 12, 14:30:40
- Iβm constantly astonished the majority of people gave them this power (General Chat) - NorskyNormann, Jan 12, 14:28:36
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