The interconnections are messy

If the bulk of hospital beds are being taken up with the extremely elderly then actually freeing as many of those up as possible by vaccinating those dudes would leave more space for people more likely to recover if they receive treatment.

With that in mind, I think they have it broadly right.

I'd still prioritise health care workers and care home workers - which makes sense to me on a variety of levels.

Trying to make a moral judgement on who has the most worthwhile years left is pretty much impossible.

(how to compare a fit and active 80 year old with a 50 something with life threatening liver damage...?

Glad I don't have to draft guidance on this.

Posted By: Cardiff Canary on November 10th 2020 at 11:06:03

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I'm number eight on the list (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 10, 07:55:40
- I’m a 9 (n/m) (General Chat) - paddonwasjesus, Nov 10, 13:01:23
- 9 (General Chat) - camcan, Nov 10, 12:04:30
- 8..... (n/m) (General Chat) - Saucerer, Nov 10, 10:16:17
- Solid 5 (n/m) (General Chat) - Claygate_Canary, Nov 10, 10:15:07
- May sneak into 7 depending on what "moderate risk" means (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Nov 10, 10:11:04
- I don't agree with those priorities (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 09:58:20
  - but it's also - how much difference will a vaccine make to them (General Chat) - jampersands, Nov 10, 10:25:24
    - Yes, it's a matrix (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 10:49:03
      - The interconnections are messy (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Nov 10, 11:06:03
  - ^^ grim reaper ^^ (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 10, 10:14:36
  - That's been one of the big issues re lockdowns etc (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 10, 10:12:53
    - Yes a big issue among thick fucks (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 10:49:35
      - Quality adjusted years (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 10, 11:21:44
        
        But these were restrictions forced upon the hospitals (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 11:41:49
      - It's pointless trying to discuss things with you (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 10:50:26
        
        To continually spreading shite yes (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 10:57:56
        
        Those thick fucks in The Lancet spreading shite (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 11:02:42
        
        You still don’t get it do you? (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 11:14:31
        
        That is a briliant post (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 12:14:48
        
        I think you’ve made the right decision (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 12:17:13
        
        Is that because of lockdown, or because of pressure on the NHS (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 10, 11:10:02
        
        It says it's specifically about lockdown (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 11:13:49
        
        The measures hospitals took during lockdown yes (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 11:20:12
        
        I sometimes wonder if you can read (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 11:50:46
        
        Yes and I actually just addressed that now (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 12:03:34
        
        Also the march lockdown had a very different effect (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 12:14:38
        
        Yes, it's a historical study (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 10, 12:15:37
        
        Analysing the future imperative here (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 12:20:09
        
        But...if there had been no lockdown and infections were running (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 10, 11:55:08
        
        question is not whether they were a "reaction to the same thing" (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 10, 11:24:48
        
        Er, what? (n/m) (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 10, 11:34:11
        
        causation (General Chat) - paulg, Nov 10, 13:25:11
        
        But why did they cancel diagnostic services? (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 10, 11:18:13
        
        And we’ve seen hospital cancellations in recent weeks (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 11:23:34
        
        Indeed. Lockdown itself has caused none of this (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 10, 11:36:02
        
        If there had not been a lockdown (General Chat) - jamesward, Nov 10, 11:22:01
        
        Exactly (General Chat) - SCC 28, Nov 10, 11:56:38
    - freemarket economics really should kick in, make people pay market rate for it (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 10, 10:21:36
    - I’m hoping by the time I’m 75-80 I’ll start refusing treatment (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Nov 10, 10:20:28
  - Their always one (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 10, 10:09:56
- Turn it up to 11 (General Chat) - Cardiff Canary, Nov 10, 08:37:54
  - Just make 10 the loudest (n/m) (General Chat) - Biggles, Nov 10, 09:48:40
    - yes but these go 11 (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 10, 10:11:45
      - It's one louder (n/m) (General Chat) - Chris Peacock, Nov 10, 11:52:53
- 8 (n/m) (General Chat) - The Gaffer, Nov 10, 08:25:49
- i wouldnt get too excited (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 10, 08:25:01
  - Had mine weeks ago, txt from GP offering me a slot (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 10, 09:22:10
  - I had mine on Saturday. (General Chat) - Garry Brooke, Nov 10, 08:44:50
    - GPs round here have gone off the radar since Covid (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 10, 09:05:41
      - That will break the vialls I should think (n/m) (General Chat) - Augustus Pablo, Nov 10, 09:06:32
        
        indeed (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 10, 09:10:50
        
        very true ... but the other side of the coin (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 10, 09:14:27
        
        or died (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 10, 09:16:28
        
        yes yes yes (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 10, 09:31:33
        
        yup, what to do eh? (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 10, 09:47:15
- Number 7 but next winter will be number 5 (n/m) (General Chat) - watfordcanary, Nov 10, 07:58:55
  - no queue jumping ..... lol (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Nov 10, 08:14:21

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