"The only way we progress is by open dialogue, debate and consensus." Agreed, and the way

we get those three things is emphatically not by holding a referendum. To say that MPs making a decision like whether to leavean international treaty is undemocratic is to miss another point. It isn't mob-rule, which is the ultimate democracy, but neither is it autocracy. It's a type of pragmatic democracy. It's not great, but I haven't seen anything better. And don't confuse the current electoral system with parliamentary democracy. Proportional representation is fairer in principle. Whether it would lead to better government is another argument for pragmatists. The fact that it may have led to more MPs of a party you or I don't like is a price we'd pay for the "fairness".

Posted By: Higher Wrather on August 21st 2019 at 18:18:32

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Ollie's a laugh, isn't he (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Aug 21, 07:37:19
- Good lord (Other Football) - CWC, Aug 21, 08:57:10
  - Was he not joking?! (n/m) (Other Football) - SimonOTBC, Aug 21, 09:15:21
  - It's an illustration that parliamentary democracy is the worst type of democracy (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Aug 21, 08:59:39
    - Nothing to do with parliamentary democracy, that (Other Football) - Tricky Hawes, Aug 21, 09:42:32
      - It has a lot to do with parliamentary democracy versus plebiscite. A referendum (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Aug 21, 14:40:33
        
        So you would of left it up to parliament to decide whether we should leave the EU? (Other Football) - KetteringRyu, Aug 21, 15:22:50
        
        yes (n/m) (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Aug 21, 15:37:34
        
        I disagree, as would the majority of Scotland. (Other Football) - KetteringRyu, Aug 21, 16:31:34
        
        that's because large swathes of the public are totally misinformed and undereducated (Other Football) - Worzel Scrimmage, Aug 21, 17:28:57
        
        It doesn't matter whether they are misinformed or uneducated (Other Football) - KetteringRyu, Aug 21, 17:52:39
        
        "The only way we progress is by open dialogue, debate and consensus." Agreed, and the way (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Aug 21, 18:18:32
        
        ... as I said, Parliamentary democracy is the worst type except for the others, and (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Aug 21, 15:44:53
      - This (Other Football) - KetteringRyu, Aug 21, 11:01:13
        
        agree (n/m) (Other Football) - ghostof barry butler, Aug 21, 13:13:14
    - Parliamentary Democracy was discarded when running the referendum (n/m) (Other Football) - Steve in Holland, Aug 21, 09:18:43
      - My point (n/m) (Other Football) - Higher Wrather, Aug 21, 14:13:34

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