I'm all open for debate
And i agree there are many different understanding's of these systems. Pro's and cons for each.
Thing with Marx's is it's very hard to get away from the historical context when he pursued revolution and the toppling of capitalism and was opting for a socialistic society.
My main beef with anything over that side of the isle is the idea of rewarding everyone equally regardless of time/effort/skill in the pursuit of fairness with zero class system.
Whether that be in food, resources, money but not in opportunity.
I fundamentally believe that you as a human being have individual responsibility but also collective responsibility. Therefore life in short is what you make of it. Not what someone else makes of it.
I don't think capitalism is perfect, far from it. But it's the hypocrisy from many of my fellow young colleagues & friends that will spend upwards of £800 on the latest Iphone, Attend university to study subjects without let's say " a credible high skilled job offer upon completion", purchasing materialistic items, predominantly on a loan basis and then complain that they cannot afford houses. That really grinds my gears. On top of that they then are duly brainwashed by the great Mr.Corbyn that all of their problems will be solved if the wealthy paid more tax. It's just frankly a kick in the teeth for many others like me who had to fight for any opportunity to get a decent education/job/house.
I believe everyone should contribute some of their time/money by law to the society they reside however when examples such as "Sweden" are brought forward as more desirable and favourable society's i really do believe people are insane.
With Corbyn's policies (Not Labour's), they all have good intention's and tend to serve in the interests of the majority of the population. However the idea that government should be in control of utilises/industry not only stifles competition but also innovation, and worse than that it makes the government the monopoly which is something else i detest.
I'm always open to debating those with different views. But anything that promotes or at least is similar in substance to Marxist/communist views i will not accept. Especially after the million's of people who have died and still dieing because of it.
Posted By: Basingstoke_Canary_J on April 3rd 2019 at 17:22:43
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- The story of Jeremy Corbyn is the story of (General Chat) - MIKEWALKER, Apr 3, 08:59:29
- Is he doing glasto this year?... (General Chat) - yellowman, Apr 3, 10:38:20
- Probs depends on whether he squeezes a people's vote out of Mother Theresa or not. (General Chat) - Dracula, Apr 3, 10:53:41
- "The people's gig"..... (General Chat) - yellowman, Apr 3, 11:15:16
- They will coz they'll be selfieing themselves rotten with Dave at Wilderness instead (n/m) (General Chat) - Dracula, Apr 3, 13:14:39
- "The people's gig"..... (General Chat) - yellowman, Apr 3, 11:15:16
- Probs depends on whether he squeezes a people's vote out of Mother Theresa or not. (General Chat) - Dracula, Apr 3, 10:53:41
- Johnson classic from yesterday.... (General Chat) - DrDublin, Apr 3, 10:25:19
- Christ was a Jew so I doubt Jeremy would like that description (General Chat) - Ben, Apr 3, 09:55:58
- Love it (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 09:02:15
- He's also a Marxist (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 10:32:49
- He isn't. (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 10:52:56
- Are you completely naive? (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 11:41:54
- A few facts you probably hate (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 12:38:21
- Like i said, I am not a fan of the Tory party. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 13:08:39
- not a fan of the tories! Not far right enough for you I expect (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Apr 3, 16:17:16
- You’re so angry all the time. It’s almost impressive (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Apr 3, 16:03:43
- Like i said, I am not a fan of the Tory party. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 13:08:39
- You might not thank me, but I completely agree with you here. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Apr 3, 12:14:28
- Glad we are finally in agreement about something (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 13:10:08
- Fuck me, you believe this shit (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Apr 3, 12:12:23
- Opinions aren’t the same as facts (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Apr 3, 14:18:20
- Well.. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 15:33:00
- Denouncing and use of labels (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Apr 3, 16:11:00
- I'm all open for debate (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 17:22:43
- Don’t sound very open to debate to me (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Apr 3, 20:50:37
- I'm all open for debate (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 17:22:43
- Denouncing and use of labels (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Apr 3, 16:11:00
- This was obviously meant as a reply to BC, not Woody 🙄 (n/m) (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Apr 3, 14:19:04
- Well.. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 15:33:00
- Fact's not feelings (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 13:10:34
- Opinions aren’t the same as facts (General Chat) - Tressells Broadbrush, Apr 3, 14:18:20
- A few facts you probably hate (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 12:38:21
- Labour’s policy is essentially Scandinavian Social Democracy (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Apr 3, 11:04:42
- someone should tell John McDonnell (n/m) (General Chat) - ghostof barry butler, Apr 3, 11:10:58
- First ministerial resignation (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 11:02:05
- Are you completely naive? (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 11:41:54
- That says more about you than it does about Corbyn. Has the biggest majority of any MP (General Chat) - woody, Apr 3, 10:49:53
- not even in the top 10 by votes (General Chat) - Henclrikus, Apr 3, 12:56:20
- A majority of fools led by a marxist (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 11:45:06
- Read some books. (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Apr 3, 12:10:24
- That's exactly what I've done (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 13:14:23
- Read some books. (n/m) (General Chat) - woody, Apr 3, 12:10:24
- He isn't. (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 10:52:56
- That's a very generous interpretation of his fence-sitting (n/m) (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 3, 09:47:00
- Why on earth (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 09:55:09
- because he wants to be prime minsiter? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 3, 11:59:02
- Now that analogy I find very amusing 😊 (n/m) (General Chat) - Men without hats, Apr 3, 14:57:11
- Here Here (n/m) (General Chat) - promethian1, Apr 3, 11:09:11
- The problem is that Corbyn has not wanted to be seen to (General Chat) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:05:49
- He's either (General Chat) - duke of york, Apr 3, 10:06:55
- because he wants to be prime minsiter? (General Chat) - CWC, Apr 3, 11:59:02
- Why on earth (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 09:55:09
- Did he know her withdrawal agreement would never get through? (n/m) (General Chat) - SCC 28, Apr 3, 09:13:44
- Rejecting the Deal for the sake of rejecting the Deal (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 10:43:50
- Oh dear. (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 10:55:48
- Never good to make assumption's about people's politcal belief's (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 11:51:37
- Oh dear. (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 10:55:48
- Probably (General Chat) - Cannydc, Apr 3, 09:34:35
- Rejecting the Deal for the sake of rejecting the Deal (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 10:43:50
- He's also a Marxist (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Apr 3, 10:32:49
- Is he doing glasto this year?... (General Chat) - yellowman, Apr 3, 10:38:20
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