You're weakening your own argument you know

The view that we need to respect the referendum is not entirely unreasonable. I dont entirely agree with it - democracy by its nature requires regular and frequent checking in with "the people", as the people "then" are not the same as the people "now", or who the people will be in "the future". And like it or not (and clearly you dont) the people are allowed to change their mind. Democracy isnt something you do once and never again. But the question of legitimacy and the loss of trust if we reverse course and ignore the referendum is an important one to consider. There will be people who will feel very let down and will loss what faith they have left in politics and politicians.

By making this illogical argument that "everyone who voted lab/con at the last election supported Brexit" you make yourself look like an extremist and, frankly, a bit foolish. Your position ignores the complex real world details that are part and parcel of party politics. Christ alive, MPs of the same party - members of the same cabinet - do not always agree on every topic. They come together because by doing so they can get more of what they want, even if they dont get everything they want. You probably wont find a single person alive who agrees with absolutely everything written in some given party manifesto. But people have one vote and need to mark one box.

Life and people's opinions are way more complex that your facile argument implies.

Posted By: Under soil heating on December 12th 2018 at 16:46:52

Message Thread

Is there any chance this confidence vote in May is part of a plan? (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 12, 12:47:56
- A cunning plan ! (n/m) (General Chat) - MORDENCANARY, Dec 12, 18:14:21
- If there's one thing you can be absolutely certain of, none of this is part of a plan (General Chat) - Old Man, Dec 12, 16:09:56
  - What we need is a Guy Fawkes (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 12, 18:15:44
- If I was Corbyn I would of put the no confidence in government motion in. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:02:24
  - they don't have the numbers (General Chat) - CWC, Dec 12, 13:24:20
    - Apparently he's going to give Sinn Fein their debut next week (n/m) (General Chat) - MIKEWALKER, Dec 12, 14:53:54
  - The DUP have said they would back the Govt in a confidence motion, so there is no point. (General Chat) - woody, Dec 12, 13:09:58
  - Two votes* (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:02:43
- Another way of looking at it (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:00:23
  - We can't just 'extend' A50 and attempt to renegotiate (General Chat) - Dunney, Dec 12, 13:09:07
    - How on earth can you "just" revoke it? (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 12, 13:48:30
      - Governments have never worried about going against democracy in the past. (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 12, 13:52:13
        
        Your not just talking about 17 million people (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:58:23
        
        I think the 'reputation' ship has long sailed (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Dec 12, 14:04:53
        
        Well no shit. May is the worst prime minister in history (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 14:09:02
        
        May is not what they are laughing at. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Dec 12, 14:38:13
        
        Given the state of the EU, I'm not sure either side has got too much to laugh about (n/m) (General Chat) - paulg, Dec 12, 14:54:38
    - Actually EU treaty does say (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:28:39
      - They won't agree to extend just so someone else can have a go. (General Chat) - Dunney, Dec 12, 13:44:16
        
        It's not about having another go. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:53:42
        
        'the problem is the backstop' (General Chat) - Dunney, Dec 12, 14:54:07
        
        Then form or join a party to campaign to remain/rejoin the EU (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 15:07:21
        
        Democracy - a govt which won 42.4% of a 68.8% turnout. That's 29% of voting adults (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 15:44:45
        
        It's 82% voting brexit on a 68.8% turnout (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 16:03:22
        
        no it isn't, it wasn't a single-issue election was it ffs (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 16:20:16
        
        and you're suggesting that everyone who voted tory or Labor was a brexiter (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 16:20:59
        
        .... (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 12, 13:56:09
        
        I think they would agree an extension if we asked, particularly if it was for (General Chat) - Jim, Dec 12, 13:49:17
        
        Yes because that's a significant change of circumstances (General Chat) - Dunney, Dec 12, 13:55:39
        
        The significant change of circumstances is the deal is not passed (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 14:07:01
        
        because that would mean a lib-dem govt ffs, which no one wanted (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 15:53:12
        
        Lib Dems only promised a 2nd referendum - not a straight option to remain (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 12, 16:35:36
        
        And had people voted for them (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 16:44:31
        
        yes, we get it, you still don't understand that a general election is not a single issue (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 12, 16:53:59
        
        Ok so what other issue (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 17:12:58
        
        Fuck all, that's the problem. This Brexit shit storm has stopped the, (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 12, 17:59:02
        
        yep, it's set the domestic agenda back 5 years at least (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 19:08:56
        
        Well it would be a lib Dems government which remained in the EU. (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 15:56:35
        
        no one wanted to remain with a Lib-dem govt. they wanted it with tory or Lab gov (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 15:59:12
        
        Well unfortunately people can't have their cake and eat it (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 16:08:26
        
        ffs, how many times, it wasn't a single-issue election (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 16:23:11
        
        Who said I was shouting. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 16:34:37
        
        Stop talking nonsense, if it was a single issue then around 50% would've voted Lib-dem (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 12, 16:47:17
        
        I was making the point (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 17:18:51
        
        You're weakening your own argument you know (General Chat) - Under soil heating, Dec 12, 16:46:52
        
        I probably am (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 17:06:18
        
        It's like you saying there are multiple reasons people chose to vote leave. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 16:38:51
        
        Immigration/racism (n/m) (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 16:39:13
        
        I did (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 12, 15:10:08
        
        That's nonesense, a GE isn't a single issue vote. (General Chat) - megson, Dec 12, 14:27:50
        
        If you don't support brexit you shouldn't of voted labour then (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 14:48:17
        
        Don't worry Meggers, i've got this one for you... (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Dec 12, 15:58:33
        
        Saw that, my eyes will recover eventually. (n/m) (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Dec 12, 17:06:22
    - I agree with Jim... (General Chat) - Dunney, Dec 12, 13:26:18
      - I don't. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:30:55
        
        She can't revoke. It would have to be decided by Parliament. (General Chat) - CB41, Dec 12, 13:54:48
        
        She has negotiated brexit. The results are in. (n/m) (General Chat) - Dunney, Dec 12, 13:48:30
        
        And if the deal doesn't pass then it's no deal. (General Chat) - Basingstoke_Canary_J, Dec 12, 13:59:17
- Thats what I was thinking. (n/m) (General Chat) - Bungle, Dec 12, 12:56:18

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