I'm not sure what you mean?

Pants is suggesting that whipping up a storm is a negative thing by saying he will do it at work and see what happens (i.e. bad things).

I'm suggesting that holding people to a very high standard, which is what we're doing, isn't really what happens at anywhere other than the relatively few elite organisations that exist, so not really a valid comparison.

A bunch of mediocre people doing mediocre jobs in a half arsed fashion, which is probably about 90% of the office based population, are likely to be annoyed by someone criticising them for not giving 100% at all times as that's not what they're paid for.

But that's not really relevant to whether we should or should not criticise football players and managers. They live a very luxurious lifestyle funded by me and you, so they should be held to account. Giving 100% in their situation is a very small price to pay in the context of what football gives them.

Posted By: SimonOTBC on December 11th 2016 at 16:55:59

Message Thread

Having watched the MB and Paddy video review... (NCFC) - Hongky, Dec 11, 14:23:31
- First time I can remember local press being so outspoken (n/m) (NCFC) - loz, Dec 11, 14:36:08
  - Moxey does not equal McNally. (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 11, 15:15:39
- The phrase "lost the dressing room". When this really happens, teams lose 4-5 nil (NCFC) - pants, Dec 11, 14:33:20
  - I'm not convinced he has lost the dressing room although some performances suggest so. (NCFC) - Hongky, Dec 11, 15:45:24
  - can't 'losing the dressing room' be as simple as (NCFC) - Mecagoenti, Dec 11, 15:07:04
  - I don't think it's a case of "lost the dressing room" just forgotten whose in it... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Dec 11, 14:35:07
    - It's a results business and we are not getting them. Time to go. (n/m) (NCFC) - Hulk Rules, Dec 11, 14:36:48
      - I think it's more you guys have had enough of one person, and you use results (NCFC) - pants, Dec 11, 14:39:43
        
        For me, we haven't been convincing all season (except Brentford), we've (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Dec 11, 15:05:11
        
        Are you being serious? If he were getting results no one would want him out (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 11, 14:54:49
        
        Yep 6 defeats in 7 isn't a problem (NCFC) - SCC 28, Dec 11, 15:02:32
        
        The club didn't exist in 1901, we should just be grateful that it does (n/m) (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 11, 15:18:47
        
        I'm surprised at the hyperbole more than anything (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Dec 11, 14:59:14
        
        Football fans in being exaggerated shocker (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 11, 15:05:26
        
        There would be no storm if we were getting results on the pitch (NCFC) - revsimon, Dec 11, 15:48:22
        
        This. Worzel is spot on here. Results aside, we have not been playing well. (n/m) (NCFC) - Hongky, Dec 11, 15:46:59
        
        Yep, it's not like we wete kidding ourselves when the results were good anyway (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 11, 15:50:26
        
        Sad but true (n/m) (NCFC) - revsimon, Dec 11, 16:10:11
        
        It's there choice to whip up a storm (NCFC) - pants, Dec 11, 15:14:14
        
        It's one of tbe few options fans have to influence decisions (NCFC) - Worzel Scrimmage, Dec 11, 15:46:04
        
        People power is dangerous. Brexit, Trump etc (NCFC) - pants, Dec 11, 16:12:54
        
        All hail Dictatorships (n/m) (NCFC) - Gob on a Stick, Dec 11, 18:55:38
        
        I doubt you work at an elite level at what you do though (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 11, 15:20:09
        
        Doesn't criticism work at all levels? Both positive and negative? (n/m) (NCFC) - Hongky, Dec 11, 15:48:27
        
        I'm not sure what you mean? (NCFC) - SimonOTBC, Dec 11, 16:55:59

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