Alan Irvine had a heck of a rep as a great coach until pretty recently

On Lambert: he and us caught lightning in a bottle, and the momentum just grew and grew. But it was a one-off - as both he and we have since proven. It can't ever be a template; it's probably impossible to replicate.

Posted By: thebigfeller on October 2nd 2016 at 17:13:16

Message Thread

"Alex Neil is not one of the best managers in this league" (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 16:48:22
- Too many words (n/m) (NCFC) - Ken Breadstick, Oct 2, 18:18:58
- Good post. (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 2, 17:46:31
- Depends how far down you want to go to be 'one of the best'. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Oct 2, 17:19:43
  - I might too. But Hughton was the wrong fit. Neil's a good fit (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:20:54
    - He's not a bad manager. But he's not good enough IMO. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Oct 2, 17:24:14
      - I'm not disagreeing on that at this stage. I doubt we can get someone who is though (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:25:32
        
        what stage are we at? (NCFC) - Tombs, Oct 2, 17:31:49
        
        I'm in denial. About everything. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Oct 2, 17:51:30
        
        We're at the "Neil is proven at this level but unproven at the next level" stage :) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:36:34
        
        There's an endless stream of managers (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 17:38:59
        
        Absolute nonsense pal (NCFC) - Charles21, Oct 2, 19:51:01
        
        Struggling is fine (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 20:24:42
        
        Probably because it's really, really hard. Look at the calibre of managers there now (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:40:59
        
        Exactly it's hard so you need to find someone good enough (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 17:45:41
        
        Got lots more money than us tbf (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 2, 17:55:12
        
        Correct. If we truly want to upgrade as a football club longer term (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:57:56
        
        Palace weren't loaded when they turned things around (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 17:56:38
        
        Still much richer than us. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Oct 2, 18:02:53
        
        If it makes you feel happier (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 18:02:02
        
        Hopefully we'll just sign a decent CB to partner Timm! (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 18:03:40
        
        I'm at the observer stage. Occasionally discussing matters but aware that my opinion makes (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:36:16
        
        Also the "Sunday afternoon on the sofa" stage. (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:37:24
        
        sun artenoon sofa stage here aussi (NCFC) - Tombs, Oct 2, 17:43:02
        
        And with regard to the Sunday afternoon stage (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:44:53
        
        good lord (NCFC) - Tombs, Oct 2, 18:12:18
        
        I'm just very frustrated that he hasn't improved, or indeed be learning from mistakes. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Oct 2, 17:29:50
        
        He does things that frustrate me, certainly. But we're not made of money (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:32:59
- Not often I agree with you but I can't argue on this one. (NCFC) - camcan, Oct 2, 17:15:15
- Wagner looks like he might be very good. (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 16:57:19
  - Yeah, I get that. I don't see what Frankie McAvoy adds, for example (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:02:46
    - Lambert was a bit old school in some ways. (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:11:13
      - Alan Irvine had a heck of a rep as a great coach until pretty recently (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:13:16
        
        I was being flippant about Karsa. Did anyone ever find out what he did? (n/m) (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:31:10
        
        Don't think so - but Villa's problems have been so endemic in any case (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:35:36
      - Lambert made us horrible to play against, I think now we are quite nice to play against (NCFC) - lovely old job, Oct 2, 17:13:11
- All really good points (NCFC) - Duck, Oct 2, 16:54:30
  - Yep need to take the next step if we go up (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 17:09:30
    - 'Course we will. And now we're known as a yo-yo club (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:10:44
      - Most "yoyo clubs" stop yoyoing one way or the other after a while. (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:13:20
        
        They've been my template for years and years now - but even they've just changed owners (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:14:29
        
        We had to tolerate Hughton and where he sent us back to (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 17:18:05
        
        We couldn't tolerate him. And not being able to tolerate him made it harder for him (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:19:27
        
        How did he try to change his approach? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 17:37:35
        
        After Fulham in the Cup, he tried to be more positive. This resulted in us conceding more (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:39:57
        
        Before Fulham that season (NCFC) - SCC 28, Oct 2, 17:55:49
  - No. The reason we'll struggle to establish ourselves in the Prem is our owners (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 16:57:24
    - Not to mention the corruption. (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:00:59
      - This is of course purely hypothesis on my part. (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:04:45
        
        Regarding which, I entirely agree (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:08:16
        
        I don't know. Less money = less ability to affect others. (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:20:34
        
        Sunderland explanation is simple. Location, location, location (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:23:53
        
        That's what I mean. How have they survived? (NCFC) - APB, Oct 2, 17:26:11
        
        With their wage bill, I don't think survival is any sort of achievement in their case (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:27:46
      - Agree. But it's the way of the world, sadly (n/m) (NCFC) - thebigfeller, Oct 2, 17:03:14
        
        it's the glitterati and the treemasons in their ivory maronic lodges (NCFC) - Tombs, Oct 2, 17:26:57
- Gary Rowett is up there for what he's done at brum. (n/m) (NCFC) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Oct 2, 16:53:12

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