Have you heard of input and output legitimacy?

Lower earners suffer from a lack of output legitimacy - for years, whichever political decisions they've made have resulted in depressed wages and austerity. This has led to a disengagement from politics, until a populist c**t called Nigel started telling them they can improve their lot by voting out of the EU because they're unelected, faceless bureaucrats (not true but that's irrelevant to my argument). But this is an appeal to input legitimacy - democratic choices rather than pounds in your pocket - and it'll actually have the opposite effect. This is not some magnificent demonstration of democratic will by the people, it's a con trick.

Posted By: King on June 24th 2016 at 14:44:57

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Fuck sake (General Chat) - King, Jun 24, 13:31:23
- Correct (General Chat) - wolfio, Jun 24, 14:29:12
- So how exactly do you decide cause you certainly cannot rely on politicians. (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jun 24, 13:37:21
  - This is exactly the kind of big decision that politicians should be deciding (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 13:47:29
    - Two problems with that - After the expenses fiasco how can we trust them (General Chat) - Men without hats, Jun 24, 14:17:40
      - Jo Cox (and others like her) seemed pretty trustworthy and in politics for the right reaso (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 24, 14:57:09
      - What's happened is the high turn out 72% has brought out the dumb dumbs (General Chat) - harry boulders, Jun 24, 14:43:33
    - It isn't binding, it is advisary (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 24, 14:08:33
      - technically not perhaps - but given all party leaders said beforehand that the result (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 14:11:35
        
        Politicians change their minds #libdemsontuitionfees (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 24, 14:15:04
    - Like (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 24, 14:07:54
    - Clearly not........ why? (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 24, 13:57:43
    - I disagree but the problem here is that we were taking it retrospectively (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 24, 13:52:16
      - in that case when do you stop having referendums? (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 13:54:30
        
        Not not really because they do not involve pooling/eroding our parliamentary sovereignty (n/m) (General Chat) - Jim, Jun 24, 13:56:22
        
        the point is that MPs are representative of the people in their area (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 14:00:56
    - on the flip side, not giving people a say on Europe (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 24, 13:51:03
      - Yep, the eu is viewed as undemocratic. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 24, 13:57:47
- Larrald was speaking to get earlier I believe... (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 24, 13:36:17
  - Lots are like her! (n/m) (General Chat) - Larry Hagman, Jun 24, 15:18:38
  - her ffs. (n/m) (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Jun 24, 13:36:28
- Sub 100 IQers should have voted Remain? Or not given a vote? (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Jun 24, 13:34:55
  - This elitist attitude is the reason for the out vote. (General Chat) - usacanary, Jun 24, 13:53:55
    - Have you heard of input and output legitimacy? (General Chat) - King, Jun 24, 14:44:57
    - UK is rapidly heading the same way as the US (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 13:57:49
      - Then MPs should make a start on, the man in the street feeling he's being listened to. (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Jun 24, 14:02:55
        
        well yes, I agree, but what does that involve exactly? (General Chat) - mr carra, Jun 24, 14:20:01
        
        that's just a meaningless cliche - what does it actually mean? (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 14:07:54
        
        It means that from around the time Brown made that open mic bigot comment (General Chat) - harry boulders, Jun 24, 14:17:31
        
        quite right too - the Labour party shouldn't be pandering to bigots (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 14:21:22
        
        But the point was she wasn't a bigot. (General Chat) - harry boulders, Jun 24, 14:27:12
        
        and Boris/Gove pounced over the EU, using Farage/UKIP to help them gain power (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 24, 15:04:14
        
        because people concerned with the level of migration and its affects on society (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 24, 14:25:21
        
        yep, it's a sad situation (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 14:34:24
        
        OK, So lets say 20 million people move to the UK next year (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 24, 14:36:34
        
        what does this question have to do with the real world? (n/m) (General Chat) - Mecagoenti, Jun 24, 14:51:24
        
        As long as 20M of our cunts go the other way, no problemo (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Jun 24, 14:39:32
        
        haha yes please!!! (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jun 24, 15:04:53
        
        And if they dont, are people who think it's to many bigots? (General Chat) - phrankin, Jun 24, 14:42:58
        
        This is my opinion why Labour has failed. (n/m) (General Chat) - harry boulders, Jun 24, 14:29:00
  - Yeah yeah, I'm a tyrant blah blah blah. (General Chat) - King, Jun 24, 13:37:05
    - That's just a comedian's opinion not fact. (General Chat) - harry boulders, Jun 24, 13:42:28

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