Don't be a div Pants

"Mr Sivier, who received the document, said: "We would be given a fudged figure showing the number of deaths among ESA claimants when compared with the average number among the population as a whole. That is not what I requested. It is not what anybody wants"

So what Mr Sivier wants is a figure that is misleading so that he can spin an argument against the Government. Why? (Well, we know why, but what good will it do?)

If you want to demonstrate that the cuts have probably caused deaths, you absoutely must have the figures that show what the mortality rates are in the general population so that you can say: "Look, the average is 1 death per 1000 but amongst the 'Fit for Work' population it's 2 per 1000. That probably means the cuts have caused 1 extra death per thousand or XXX extra deaths."

Any other stat, ie the pure # of deaths that the campaigners want, is completely meaningless (and very easy to dismiss) without the context of the general death rate. DWP's approach to waiting for the ASMR figures is absolutely the correct one.

(I wonder what the reaction would be if it was a Tory trying to score easy political points from people dying...)

Posted By: CWC on June 25th 2015 at 09:28:43

Message Thread

Just evil (General Chat) - pants, Jun 25, 01:27:24
- What's wrong with comparison to the average?? (n/m) (General Chat) - dennis moore, Jun 25, 09:31:38
- Thanks for link (General Chat) - maidstoneyellow, Jun 25, 09:31:36
  - petition even! (n/m) (General Chat) - maidstoneyellow, Jun 25, 10:00:54
- Don't be a div Pants (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 25, 09:28:43
  - You (and i dearly hope you don't ever have to) try going through the ridiculous system... (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 25, 10:24:25
    - don't disagree with you - even more important to have the 'right' figures (General Chat) - CWC, Jun 25, 11:46:24
      - You are in a fortunate position to do so then. (n/m) (General Chat) - Brandonio, Jun 25, 13:16:03
    - Fair enough dubs, but I ]CWC is trying to say (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 25, 11:04:18
      - Ooops... CWC is trying to say... (General Chat) - norway, Jun 25, 11:04:50
        
        Maybe the case, but having witnessed the way people are treated, gets my goat. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 25, 11:11:19
        
        Absolutely and always worth saying. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Jun 25, 11:14:27
- .... (General Chat) - Old Git, Jun 25, 09:06:22
- Here (General Chat) - Boris, Jun 25, 06:16:54
  - Oh good that's ok...two wrongs make it right...well done you (n/m) (General Chat) - yellowman, Jun 25, 11:48:32
  - I think I've worked out what the issue is here. (General Chat) - norway, Jun 25, 07:43:55
  - You should know better (General Chat) - Pygmy bulb, Jun 25, 07:05:37
- Despicable party, doesn't surprise me whatsoever. (n/m) (General Chat) - DrDublin, Jun 25, 01:34:57

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