However, I think this all has to go back a few years to the initial Iraq bombing and then
the later events, couple with huge global publicity kind of polarising the religions and basically putting more emphasis on the perceived differences.
One thing which was really surprising for me was the return to more traditional clothing. When I was a kid we never thought about anybody being muslim. We used to have all the Pakistani corner shops etc but who even knew that Pakistanis were muslim when we were kids ? The women rarely bothered wearing a headscarf, much less a Hajib or more. Maybe the grandmother who would sit on a stool in the corner ?! And even then it was more the traditional head dress as opposed to religious.
That seemed to be a response to a feeling of alienation, and a show of pride in their heritage, rather than anything deeply religious or rebellious. It's what kids do in tense times - whatever their parents didn't :)
But then suddenly we had visual differences which of course the bigots got hold of and fed on, and it's been kind of a spiral ever since.
It's not only in western Europe by the way. In Turkey for example - those living in Istanbul are amazed at the amount of "Ninjas" (note - their words, not mine!) you see these days whereas 15 years ago you rarely even saw any head covering which was anything more than traditional.
I'll post this now cos I started but now I am even boring myself. LOL
Posted By: Steve in Holland on February 25th 2015 at 12:30:34
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- I have some sympathy for the motives behind the Charlie Hebdo Murders in Paris (General Chat) - phrankin, Feb 25, 11:23:57
- 'Having sympathy for the motives' is a meaningless phrase (General Chat) - norway, Feb 25, 13:32:43
- just sparking debate... (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Feb 25, 13:49:56
- How selfless of you. (n/m) (General Chat) - norway, Feb 25, 14:05:29
- just sparking debate... (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Feb 25, 13:49:56
- I have Islama-fatigue. Just sick and tired of the whole debate. (General Chat) - Pit, Feb 25, 12:16:21
- I disagree that we all face the same problems. Prejudice isn't one most experience. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:18:34
- However, I think this all has to go back a few years to the initial Iraq bombing and then (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:30:34
- I was being general. Family problems. Money. Traffic. Energy bills etc (n/m) (General Chat) - Pit, Feb 25, 12:24:22
- Well yes I guess we all have those (mostly) first world problems. Doesn't mean some (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:33:37
- I disagree that we all face the same problems. Prejudice isn't one most experience. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:18:34
- yes alarmingly, 7% dont think they should obey british laws. Great! (General Chat) - fal5taff, Feb 25, 11:48:10
- Reckon there's more than 7% of 'white British' who don't think they should either - at (General Chat) - woody, Feb 25, 11:57:56
- totally agree! (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Feb 25, 13:49:25
- they can fuck off too (n/m) (General Chat) - fal5taff, Feb 25, 12:21:47
- I was just gonna say that (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:10:46
- Reckon there's more than 7% of 'white British' who don't think they should either - at (General Chat) - woody, Feb 25, 11:57:56
- 46% of Muslims feel that life in the UK is difficult due to prejudice against Islam (General Chat) - King, Feb 25, 11:42:53
- Impressed it's less than 50% (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:11:06
- Yeah, it certainly feel like it's getting worse (General Chat) - King, Feb 25, 12:46:54
- Impressed it's less than 50% (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:11:06
- Well, i understand why they were angry, that doesn't mean to say i think their actions we (General Chat) - protheroe fitzgibbon, Feb 25, 11:34:41
- Was just gonna say that too. A lot of the Hebdo cartoons were downright racist. But (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Feb 25, 12:11:55
- 'Having sympathy for the motives' is a meaningless phrase (General Chat) - norway, Feb 25, 13:32:43
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