It seems to me that it was a perfect storm of incompetence, screw ups

And circumstances conspiring. I'm not as convinced that "it could have been us" in the way some claim but had it been policed properly, had there been no fences and had the ground been safer it would not have happened and the cover up was inexcusable.

I still think however that to claim that fan behaviour generally around the time (not those who died who have been cleared of blame by the coroner already) or even on the day did not play any part in what happened is questionable. I also think though that when one looks at the make up of the independent commission and the backdrop to their appointment the conclusions of the panel report (which I have read) were somewhat predictable. The outcome of the current inquest will therefore be interesting and hopefully can draw some sort of line under it for all concerned.

Acknowledging that something played a role in such a tragedy does not equate to saying fans were to blame. For something like that to happen all manner of factors need to combine and sadly that's what happened. Sometimes terrible things happen and there is no one scapegoat for them. The cover up afterwards though us a different matter.

Posted By: Jim on April 15th 2014 at 15:59:12

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RE: Hillsborough (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Apr 15, 12:23:07
- That post imo is spot on. Just read the taylor report - did dispel some myths (NCFC) - Men without hats, Apr 15, 15:11:35
- Yep. That covers everything fairly imho (n/m) (NCFC) - Upperjarroldmiddle, Apr 15, 14:49:17
- Great post. (n/m) (NCFC) - avenging canary, Apr 15, 14:15:22
- Agreed... (n/m) (NCFC) - Vivid Data Shark, Apr 15, 14:01:05
- Frankly, it's 25 years on, and the people culpable are either retired or dead (NCFC) - pants, Apr 15, 13:49:37
- Frankly I couldn't agree more. (n/m) (NCFC) - lovely old job, Apr 15, 13:25:14
- hasn't it been proved now though that Liverpool fans at Hillsborough are not at fault (n/m) (NCFC) - earlydoors, Apr 15, 12:50:51
  - Numerous people and systems were at fault including fans who pushed trying to get in (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Apr 15, 13:17:01
    - It seems to me that it was a perfect storm of incompetence, screw ups (NCFC) - Jim, Apr 15, 15:59:12
      - Bang on. (NCFC) - avenging canary, Apr 15, 17:33:28
      - Agreed (n/m) (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Apr 15, 16:19:38
  - The one thing I don't know about it all (NCFC) - duke of york, Apr 15, 13:08:59
  - Over and over, but some people don't want to accept it... (NCFC) - avid_canary, Apr 15, 13:08:58
    - You are wrong, that isn't what he said in that clip (NCFC) - Larry Hagman, Apr 15, 13:39:21
      - I give up, you're right though, I have mis-quoted slightly. Of course at no point (NCFC) - avid_canary, Apr 15, 13:49:03
- Good post (n/m) (NCFC) - King, Apr 15, 12:39:38

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