They also ignored the following
You can't model human behaviour (in the same scientific/mathematical way you can with so-called "fair" arbitrage free instrument pricing)
You can't respond to speculation going completely against you by following the same flawed model(s) more rigorously (or by leveraging up even more!)
Markets are NOT always rational (to assume so, it's pretty f'ing stupid really)
And they are certainly NOT normally distributed (black swans etc show how key tails are and how the unthinkable can wipe you out)
Personally they placed far too much reliance on theoretical models in my opinion, because that's the type of traders/academics they were.
I was just saying I've studied it in the past (along with other financial maths/economics etc) so it's not completely alien to me.
The key to becoming successful at anything involves a HELL of a lot of practice, something these keys, Merton, Black, Scholes etc probably failed to appreciate, hence the over-reliance on their models.
If any trader is not prepared for the s**t to hit the fan, they shouldn't be anywhere near securities of any sort in my opinion
But still funny (the LTCM story!) hehe
Posted By: essexcanaryOTBC on July 22nd 2013 at 14:18:11
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- Whilst we're on the topic of non-football stuff (pre-season and all) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:35:24
- wouldnt bother if i was you! (General Chat) - fal5taff, Jul 22, 14:26:54
- good point (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 20:05:09
- You're hopefully not serious, are you? (n/m) (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 22, 13:40:14
- why?? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:44:50
- Because its a great way to lose lots of money very quickly (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 13:51:44
- or the converse (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:56:42
- Unless you're a genius (or outstandingly lucky), you're about to lose a substantial amount (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 22, 13:49:00
- Options aren't as risky as some makeout tbh (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:54:38
- Just for clarity (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 22, 13:57:59
- They also ignored the following (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 14:18:11
- *guys not keys (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 14:19:03
- haha yeah I know it's a flawed model with flawed assumptions (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 14:01:08
- No model is a replacement for using market experience and common sense (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 14:02:17
- So, in conclusion, you think that you're genius enough (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 22, 14:04:42
- I'm not saying I have the experience yet (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 14:08:55
- So, in conclusion, you think that you're genius enough (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 22, 14:04:42
- No model is a replacement for using market experience and common sense (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 14:02:17
- They also ignored the following (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 14:18:11
- *their (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:55:05
- Just for clarity (General Chat) - Johnny Comecardiff, Jul 22, 13:57:59
- Options aren't as risky as some makeout tbh (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:54:38
- Because its a great way to lose lots of money very quickly (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 13:51:44
- I actually was tbh (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:41:08
- why?? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:44:50
- Go down the bookies and stick all your money on the virtual horses. (General Chat) - tudders, Jul 22, 13:38:06
- haha (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:40:31
- Who's the guy tipped gold on here a while back? (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 13:37:12
- me, gold and tin. (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Jul 22, 17:55:07
- Tin? (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 20:05:22
- Me! (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Jul 22, 14:24:47
- You sure gold's not just having a temporary bounce (i.e. correction) though? (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 20:06:00
- Not me! (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 22, 13:45:32
- haha (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:45:55
- me, gold and tin. (General Chat) - I Am Hoot, Jul 22, 17:55:07
- Buy gold (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Jul 22, 13:36:42
- This ^ (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Jul 22, 14:25:55
- Is that your gut feeling (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:39:37
- i trade almost exclusively in options these days, makes sense in the current climate (General Chat) - Tombs, Jul 22, 13:50:06
- maybe (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:56:04
- i trade almost exclusively in options these days, makes sense in the current climate (General Chat) - Tombs, Jul 22, 13:50:06
- ^^ him ^^ (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Jul 22, 13:37:39
- haha thx (n/m) (General Chat) - essexcanaryOTBC, Jul 22, 13:38:18
- wouldnt bother if i was you! (General Chat) - fal5taff, Jul 22, 14:26:54
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