Yes but it doesn't make the points I'm making absurd

They were lucky to win both finals. Good for them that they did.

And no, there are no examples of years when they SHOULD have won the trophy but were done by bad luck etc.

That would require them to have lost a final in unfortunate circumstances or, at the very least, a semi with an absolute duffer waiting in the final.

That hasn't happened.

Two wins in 20 years, both with elements of very good fortune. That is not only a poor return for the 'biggest club in the world' but also boosted by good fortune.

Posted By: norway on March 6th 2013 at 11:25:20

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Ferguson has now had, what, 20 goes at the Champions League? (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 10:38:54
- Just as well his priority..... (Other Football) - yellowman, Mar 6, 11:35:45
  - Yep (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 11:39:14
    - Clough's wins are prob the best considering.... (Other Football) - yellowman, Mar 6, 11:43:45
- "should have lost" ? (n/m) (Other Football) - Only1Doherty, Mar 6, 10:46:57
  - Bayern were the better side by a mile, John Terry fell on his arse. (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 10:48:54
    - The John Terry thing is beyond true. Look at the absentee in the final Chelsea won (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Mar 6, 11:01:27
      - Terry played in all the games that got them there though (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 6, 11:20:21
        
        Him getting sent off, won Chelsea the final for me (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Mar 6, 11:21:07
        
        There's no way of knowing (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 6, 11:25:59
        
        Like Roeder innit (Other Football) - pants, Mar 6, 11:31:42
    - that Bayern-Man U final was probably the most one-sided CL final I've ever seen (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 6, 10:56:35
      - I don't get it. United took their chances and BM didn't. (Other Football) - Only1Doherty, Mar 6, 11:00:07
        
        You're just being disingenuous now (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 11:26:27
        
        They were outplayed, yep. One more thing... (Other Football) - Only1Doherty, Mar 6, 11:31:05
        
        Would be joint second with Milan, second only to RM (n/m) (Other Football) - Only1Doherty, Mar 6, 11:35:20
        
        Depends how high you are setting the bar (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 11:35:09
        
        I've no idea tbh. I expect if you prolonged Clough's and Paisley's (Other Football) - Only1Doherty, Mar 6, 11:53:57
        
        My bad - Paisley won it three times in five years (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 12:18:21
        
        Much like, and it pains me to say this, the Chelsea-BM final. (n/m) (Other Football) - Only1Doherty, Mar 6, 11:01:37
    - absurd argument (n/m) (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 6, 10:53:30
      - Why? (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 10:57:22
        
        That's the nature of football (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 6, 11:19:12
        
        Yes but it doesn't make the points I'm making absurd (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 11:25:20
        
        It is not absurd to say (Other Football) - Charles21, Mar 6, 11:30:31
        
        It was more than a missed penalty (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 11:37:44
    - Surely United's character and resolve to come back and win are positives. (Other Football) - Only1Doherty, Mar 6, 10:51:48
      - I'm not doubting their character (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 10:56:48
        
        didn't Bayern hit the woodwork twice? (Other Football) - mr carra, Mar 6, 11:00:03
        
        Yes they did. (n/m) (Other Football) - norway, Mar 6, 11:27:10
    - ^^^vmt^^^ (n/m) (Other Football) - colincanary, Mar 6, 10:49:52
      - This vmt was for Norways (n/m) (Other Football) - colincanary, Mar 6, 10:52:51

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