and as you will have noticed, the August rioters have been dealt with

without a plastic bullet being fired.

"It then all becomes a matter of using the right option at the right time against the right people" is exactly right.

i also think the Guardian are being a little bit naughty with this story though, as i can't see where the police have said that they are making them available specifically for tomorrow's protests

Posted By: Ralf Scrampton on November 8th 2011 at 11:21:05

Message Thread

"How did we come to this? An unpopular government pushing ahead with policies that are all (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 10:25:47
- ""Any officer that shoots a student with a baton round will have to answer to the whole of (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:36:34
  - LOL (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 10:37:36
    - could be the new "paintball" for stag nights! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:45:28
      - or an alternative for posh people for fox hunting (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 10:48:49
        
        yes, kill two birds with one stone. I like your thinking. (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:51:26
        
        I thought you hate gay offs? (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:11:53
        
        not gaying off, but agreeing. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:13:43
        
        I don't really have any hang ups about students (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:15:54
        
        I wasn't (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:17:28
        
        cool. I like everyone too, live and let live, believe in what you want (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:18:33
        
        Of course I was young once. This was me: (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:24:27
        
        I confused you with chelts (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:35:37
        
        Oddly, I sometimes do that, too. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:37:12
        
        Nice shades you wore back then. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:27:44
        
        Ain't that the truth (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 8, 11:18:06
        
        ;-) (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:19:43
        
        haha (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:17:49
- Plastic bullets for a plastic generation (General Chat) - UtterlyHuckerby, Nov 8, 10:32:27
- "a little thing called a global financial meltdown, love." (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 10:28:10
  - calm down dear, it was hugely tongue-in-cheek TH (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 10:33:26
    - I think that's the kind of tongue-in-cheekness that female journos get v cross about (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 10:39:36
      - oh dear, it really has gone over your head hasn't it? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 10:50:01
        
        "plastic bullets are bad" (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 8, 11:13:30
        
        and as you will have noticed, the August rioters have been dealt with (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:21:05
        
        Three days of buildings being set on fire, and criminals running the streets (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:23:08
        
        and mad right-wing nutters wanting to call out the army (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:25:21
        
        I beleive the calls for the army probably came (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:33:06
        
        so why not call for the police to do their job properly instead? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:36:35
        
        people did (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:38:52
        
        then they were idiots for thinking the army could do the police's job for them (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:41:33
        
        the problem was the police weren't doing their job (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:43:49
        
        The assumption there is that the army would have done a better job. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:50:22
        
        I would imagine the average criminal (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:53:37
        
        Why do you think the army would be beating people? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:02:31
        
        Well actually, I don;t think they would be, because if the army were there (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:05:07
        
        Why do you think that? Why do you think the army would have been better equipped to deal (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:05:57
        
        Because the Police made no attempt to catch them (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:08:04
        
        The Police made no attempt to catch them because they didn't have the bodies available. (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:09:10
        
        why didn't they have the bodies available? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:12:33
        
        The little shits were taunting them... I saw the videos. (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:10:02
        
        Because they didn't have enough bodies available to cope (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:11:39
        
        why? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:12:47
        
        Why what? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:21:42
        
        why weren't they available? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:22:59
        
        Because we don't have a large enough police force to deal with numerous (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:24:23
        
        so why were they available towards the end? (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:29:30
        
        I never said the police were able to handle it. (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:33:13
        
        we'll never know will we (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:53:09
        
        You can blame them for being bloodthirsty and advocating a complete overreaction (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:54:33
        
        Did you see the pictures from London.... (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:56:01
        
        tell that to the people who lost their homes, businesses and loved ones (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:55:28
        
        except that the vast majority of people advocating the army lived nowhere near the riots (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:04:01
        
        that kind of figures when the majority of rioting (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:05:45
        
        Well you seem to be implying that all people affected by the looting wanted the army (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:06:42
        
        where the fuck did i say that? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:13:25
        
        "tell that to the people who lost their homes, businesses and loved ones" (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:21:12
        
        no that they wouldn't have been happy with how the police handled it (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:24:11
        
        No, I am happy it was resolved without recourse to the army (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:25:22
        
        How do you know they were loved? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:57:57
        
        this one appeared to be (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:59:22
        
        but the looters weren't just common criminals (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:00:46
        
        yep they were 'protesters' (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:02:31
        
        Anymore straw man arguments you want to roll out? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:04:32
        
        The straw man, I was wondering when this would crop up (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:12:38
        
        think of the criminals rights SCC, stop being such a right wing Bully (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:56:40
        
        nothing to do with the rights of the criminal. It is to do with a proportionate response (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:03:24
        
        When building are being set ablaze with people in them (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:06:41
        
        I think we have different definitions of proportionate response then. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:07:30
        
        yes we do, when innocent people lives are at risk (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:09:08
        
        well said (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:11:18
        
        And also, yes, we will never know, because the police sorted it out. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:54:58
        
        yep they were great! (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:56:23
        
        Well, they did. Brought in extra police. Rioting stopped. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:04:52
        
        it rained and the rioters had 3 days free pickings (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:11:08
        
        exactly (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:14:58
        
        they brought in unsustainable levels of policing (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:10:31
        
        maybe the coppers did a rain dance in private (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:57:17
        
        ROLF (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:57:58
        
        definitely a good way to end a riot (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:59:51
        
        next time there's a riot (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:00:53
        
        why is that? obviously a couple of thousand rioting criminals (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:42:21
        
        as you should have noticed by now, the August rioters have been dealt with (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:44:37
        
        so it's ok for them to kill and destroy livelihoods (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:50:18
        
        "shouldn't prevention also be important?" (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 12:07:09
        
        they didn't have to shoot them in the face tbf (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:19:15
        
        I'm not sure they were "dealt with" by the Police (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:50:11
        
        righto... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 12:04:40
        
        exactly (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:35:31
        
        and the rain... (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:36:21
        
        lol yes! (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:37:43
        
        and X Factor (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 8, 11:48:21
        
        and because people are fucking idiots (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:34:06
        
        Can't argue with you there (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:35:36
        
        Nor were 99% of people asking for the army to be called out (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:37:23
        
        should 99% support be needed? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:39:50
        
        if someone was threatening to burn down my house with me inside (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:41:37
        
        like some of these lovely students (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:30:21
        
        yes, some students are right-wing nutters too (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:35:12
        
        very much so peter (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:36:40
        
        maybe if they'd been dealt with better (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:22:47
        
        don't let innocents lives get in the way of an old fashioned liberal police bashing (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:24:00
        
        In which case, aren't real ones better? It means siad rioters can't do it again. (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:16:52
        
        Shhhhhhhush (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:14:50
        
        if any rioting like what happened before starts (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:16:52
        
        Correct (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 8, 11:02:52
        
        haha! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:04:10
        
        sorry, clearly must have done (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 10:58:42
        
        i'm just disappointed that you think so little of me that you wouldn't have taken that as (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:00:23
        
        Didn't occur to me, I must say (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 8, 11:15:50
        
        In which case apologies again. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:01:06
        
        forget about it (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:07:28
        
        lovely (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:13:07
        
        oh.....?? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:54:21
        
        "the rioters cant complain if they're hit by one".. (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 8, 10:55:22
        
        maybe! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:02:47
        
        Being on here is unlikely to improve it Chelts. Have a break (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:04:57
        
        i love the wrath..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:11:43
        
        have you had it out with him? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:15:02
        
        It's gay love gone sour - a very unpleasant situation (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:18:55
        
        actually.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:34:48
  - Calm down, dear, it's only a Wrath post (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 8, 10:31:57

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