"plastic bullets are bad"

Rioting is also bad

All governments are entitled (in fact obliged) to use proportionate force to maintain civil order so that non-rioting citizens don't have their shops smashed/houses burned/stuff stolen/cars overturned. The maintenance of civil order is one of the things which non-rioting citizens expect from their government.

So plastic bullets have their place in the pantheon of law enforcement options, just like truncheons, police dogs and police horses.

It then all becomes a matter of using the right option at the right time against the right people

Posted By: Old Git on November 8th 2011 at 11:13:30

Message Thread

"How did we come to this? An unpopular government pushing ahead with policies that are all (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 10:25:47
- ""Any officer that shoots a student with a baton round will have to answer to the whole of (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:36:34
  - LOL (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 10:37:36
    - could be the new "paintball" for stag nights! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:45:28
      - or an alternative for posh people for fox hunting (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 10:48:49
        
        yes, kill two birds with one stone. I like your thinking. (n/m) (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:51:26
        
        I thought you hate gay offs? (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:11:53
        
        not gaying off, but agreeing. (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:13:43
        
        I don't really have any hang ups about students (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:15:54
        
        I wasn't (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:17:28
        
        cool. I like everyone too, live and let live, believe in what you want (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:18:33
        
        Of course I was young once. This was me: (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:24:27
        
        I confused you with chelts (General Chat) - pants, Nov 8, 11:35:37
        
        Oddly, I sometimes do that, too. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:37:12
        
        Nice shades you wore back then. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:27:44
        
        Ain't that the truth (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 8, 11:18:06
        
        ;-) (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:19:43
        
        haha (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:17:49
- Plastic bullets for a plastic generation (General Chat) - UtterlyHuckerby, Nov 8, 10:32:27
- "a little thing called a global financial meltdown, love." (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 10:28:10
  - calm down dear, it was hugely tongue-in-cheek TH (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 10:33:26
    - I think that's the kind of tongue-in-cheekness that female journos get v cross about (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 10:39:36
      - oh dear, it really has gone over your head hasn't it? (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 10:50:01
        
        "plastic bullets are bad" (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 8, 11:13:30
        
        and as you will have noticed, the August rioters have been dealt with (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:21:05
        
        Three days of buildings being set on fire, and criminals running the streets (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:23:08
        
        and mad right-wing nutters wanting to call out the army (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:25:21
        
        I beleive the calls for the army probably came (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:33:06
        
        so why not call for the police to do their job properly instead? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:36:35
        
        people did (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:38:52
        
        then they were idiots for thinking the army could do the police's job for them (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:41:33
        
        the problem was the police weren't doing their job (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:43:49
        
        The assumption there is that the army would have done a better job. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:50:22
        
        I would imagine the average criminal (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:53:37
        
        Why do you think the army would be beating people? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:02:31
        
        Well actually, I don;t think they would be, because if the army were there (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:05:07
        
        Why do you think that? Why do you think the army would have been better equipped to deal (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:05:57
        
        Because the Police made no attempt to catch them (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:08:04
        
        The Police made no attempt to catch them because they didn't have the bodies available. (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:09:10
        
        why didn't they have the bodies available? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:12:33
        
        The little shits were taunting them... I saw the videos. (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:10:02
        
        Because they didn't have enough bodies available to cope (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:11:39
        
        why? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:12:47
        
        Why what? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:21:42
        
        why weren't they available? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:22:59
        
        Because we don't have a large enough police force to deal with numerous (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:24:23
        
        so why were they available towards the end? (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:29:30
        
        I never said the police were able to handle it. (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:33:13
        
        we'll never know will we (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:53:09
        
        You can blame them for being bloodthirsty and advocating a complete overreaction (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:54:33
        
        Did you see the pictures from London.... (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:56:01
        
        tell that to the people who lost their homes, businesses and loved ones (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:55:28
        
        except that the vast majority of people advocating the army lived nowhere near the riots (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:04:01
        
        that kind of figures when the majority of rioting (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:05:45
        
        Well you seem to be implying that all people affected by the looting wanted the army (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:06:42
        
        where the fuck did i say that? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:13:25
        
        "tell that to the people who lost their homes, businesses and loved ones" (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:21:12
        
        no that they wouldn't have been happy with how the police handled it (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:24:11
        
        No, I am happy it was resolved without recourse to the army (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:25:22
        
        How do you know they were loved? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:57:57
        
        this one appeared to be (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:59:22
        
        but the looters weren't just common criminals (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:00:46
        
        yep they were 'protesters' (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:02:31
        
        Anymore straw man arguments you want to roll out? (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:04:32
        
        The straw man, I was wondering when this would crop up (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:12:38
        
        think of the criminals rights SCC, stop being such a right wing Bully (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:56:40
        
        nothing to do with the rights of the criminal. It is to do with a proportionate response (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:03:24
        
        When building are being set ablaze with people in them (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:06:41
        
        I think we have different definitions of proportionate response then. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:07:30
        
        yes we do, when innocent people lives are at risk (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:09:08
        
        well said (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:11:18
        
        And also, yes, we will never know, because the police sorted it out. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:54:58
        
        yep they were great! (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:56:23
        
        Well, they did. Brought in extra police. Rioting stopped. (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 12:04:52
        
        it rained and the rioters had 3 days free pickings (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 12:11:08
        
        exactly (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:14:58
        
        they brought in unsustainable levels of policing (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:10:31
        
        maybe the coppers did a rain dance in private (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:57:17
        
        ROLF (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:57:58
        
        definitely a good way to end a riot (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:59:51
        
        next time there's a riot (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:00:53
        
        why is that? obviously a couple of thousand rioting criminals (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:42:21
        
        as you should have noticed by now, the August rioters have been dealt with (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:44:37
        
        so it's ok for them to kill and destroy livelihoods (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:50:18
        
        "shouldn't prevention also be important?" (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 12:07:09
        
        they didn't have to shoot them in the face tbf (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 12:19:15
        
        I'm not sure they were "dealt with" by the Police (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:50:11
        
        righto... (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 12:04:40
        
        exactly (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:35:31
        
        and the rain... (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:36:21
        
        lol yes! (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:37:43
        
        and X Factor (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Nov 8, 11:48:21
        
        and because people are fucking idiots (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:34:06
        
        Can't argue with you there (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:35:36
        
        Nor were 99% of people asking for the army to be called out (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Nov 8, 11:37:23
        
        should 99% support be needed? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:39:50
        
        if someone was threatening to burn down my house with me inside (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:41:37
        
        like some of these lovely students (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:30:21
        
        yes, some students are right-wing nutters too (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:35:12
        
        very much so peter (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:36:40
        
        maybe if they'd been dealt with better (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:22:47
        
        don't let innocents lives get in the way of an old fashioned liberal police bashing (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:24:00
        
        In which case, aren't real ones better? It means siad rioters can't do it again. (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:16:52
        
        Shhhhhhhush (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:14:50
        
        if any rioting like what happened before starts (General Chat) - phrankin, Nov 8, 11:16:52
        
        Correct (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 8, 11:02:52
        
        haha! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:04:10
        
        sorry, clearly must have done (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 10:58:42
        
        i'm just disappointed that you think so little of me that you wouldn't have taken that as (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:00:23
        
        Didn't occur to me, I must say (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 8, 11:15:50
        
        In which case apologies again. (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:01:06
        
        forget about it (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Nov 8, 11:07:28
        
        lovely (n/m) (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Nov 8, 11:13:07
        
        oh.....?? (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 10:54:21
        
        "the rioters cant complain if they're hit by one".. (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 8, 10:55:22
        
        maybe! (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:02:47
        
        Being on here is unlikely to improve it Chelts. Have a break (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:04:57
        
        i love the wrath..... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:11:43
        
        have you had it out with him? (n/m) (General Chat) - 1 5CC, Nov 8, 11:15:02
        
        It's gay love gone sour - a very unpleasant situation (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Nov 8, 11:18:55
        
        actually.... (General Chat) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 8, 11:34:48
  - Calm down, dear, it's only a Wrath post (n/m) (General Chat) - Dandy Highburyman, Nov 8, 10:31:57

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