This is such a minefield

Striking a balance between getting the right level of legislation that protects workers and giving employers the freedom to manage their workforce effectively is almost an impossible dream. i work in a relatively large organisation's HR department and we manage, but that's only because we have the manpower to ensure that we do everything by the book. However, in a SME with little or no HR function, it must be a nightmare. But this isn't the answer; abolishing unfair dismissal would just return the ability to 'coast along' to the employer. And it shows ridiculously little awareness of sickness absence trends to lay this at the door of perceived laziness - stress-related absenteeism and presenteeism is a massive problem but a lot of people just don't get it.

Posted By: King on October 26th 2011 at 12:41:58

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Tories showing their true colours? (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 10:58:27
- This is such a minefield (General Chat) - King, Oct 26, 12:41:58
  - Agreed (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 12:54:47
  - stress is such a difficult one, some people really are suffering from stress (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 12:52:38
    - Stress is for wimps (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 26, 13:02:37
      - tad surprised you've written that OG (General Chat) - pants, Oct 26, 15:05:40
      - Top trolling (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 13:15:36
        
        Bollox, I hope it wasn't trolling or I've been whooshed big time (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:17:21
        
        :) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 26, 13:23:19
      - You cklearly don't know anyone who has suffered real streaa OG, (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:14:56
        
        no buuibt mi do kno some epoeplpe wh can type (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 26, 13:24:18
        
        pardon? (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 15:56:15
    - ^ Paxmanface. (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Oct 26, 12:55:36
    - Thanks for clearing that up. (n/m) (General Chat) - King, Oct 26, 12:54:40
      - Doctors will sign people off very easily. (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 13:01:06
        
        I think you're missing the point (General Chat) - King, Oct 26, 13:14:44
        
        yes, but this is made up fake stress, after a falling out at work (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 13:17:10
        
        falling out with a line manager that you know doesn't like you can be a very stressful thi (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 26, 13:25:31
        
        Tribuneral. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Oct 26, 13:20:06
        
        You'd have to be very very depressed to want a holiday in Kenya though. (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:18:56
        
        I want a holiday in Kenya, and I am not depressed (n/m) (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 26, 13:25:30
        
        was wimpy management, that is for sure. (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 13:19:42
        
        Witchcraft is the bollox - the future of medicine in this country (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:03:59
        
        ^^^ diversionary tactics ^^^ (General Chat) - Old Git, Oct 26, 13:03:31
        
        Fair enough isn't it ? (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 26, 13:11:55
        
        Although one shouldn't underestimate the power of placebo and the cost (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 26, 13:13:12
        
        Whatever works, works. Doesn't matter how. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:15:33
        
        give 'em some suger pills and send them on their way. (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 13:19:09
        
        just sayin, not all doctors are kosher or able... (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 13:06:52
        
        They should be sacked then (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:08:18
        
        sacking a government worker... (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 13:12:13
        
        GPs aren't employed by the government (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 26, 13:21:30
        
        ok, kill them then (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:13:23
        
        Agreed, though it is as bad as racism in my book. (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:04:48
    - Agreed (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 12:54:01
- pffft... we got a lazy employee here on supposed sick (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 11:22:19
  - What's she supposed to do if off with stress? Stay under the stairs cupboard? (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 12:19:02
    - Get an alternative job more suited to her fragile personality and stop mugging her (General Chat) - tudders, Oct 26, 13:01:30
      - I didn't read owt that suggested she has a fragile personality (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 13:14:38
      - can't see the problem. If she wants a deal, just do a compromise agreement. (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:13:00
    - the latest sicknote is for exhaustion... (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 12:36:01
      - Again, you can sack people for poor sick record - breach of contract (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 12:39:15
        
        small company, no HR dept (n/m) (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 12:47:45
        
        Plenty HR Company's out there who work on a consultancy basis (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 12:53:11
        
        not much we can do while the sick notes keep coming.. (assuming one arrives now) (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 12:54:58
        
        Yes there is - breach of contract. Do you think people can get paid forever (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 12:59:22
        
        no idea what the company policy is, not sure we even have one (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 13:02:37
        
        Sounds like your company needs to get it's act together. Any company, (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:07:48
        
        Not that straight forward. A contractor that attends the same place of work, (General Chat) - tudders, Oct 26, 13:16:35
        
        Depends on the terms they are taken on surely (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:20:40
        
        Nope, statute. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Oct 26, 13:23:23
  - Article in news yesterday that 13% (THIRTEEN) of all Dutch employees suffered (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 26, 11:33:51
    - Smoke-out more like. (n/m) (General Chat) - tudders, Oct 26, 13:02:34
  - sounds broadly similar to a woman at Mrs S's work (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 26, 11:27:19
- "Downing Street says changes to unfair dismissal rules are "unlikely". (n/m) (General Chat) - Duck, Oct 26, 11:05:45
  - Even if they don't get away with that, they've already done this... (General Chat) - woody, Oct 26, 11:18:45
    - There's a surprise. Land owners and large super farms are some of the Torys (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 26, 13:22:07
  - kind of begs the question as to why go to the expense of a report (n/m) (General Chat) - South_West_Canary, Oct 26, 11:11:46
    - because the economy is about to go into recession and the report was meant to be about get (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 26, 11:22:23
      - The front page of the report should clearly state the terms of reference (General Chat) - mike_the_sphinx, Oct 26, 12:41:23
      - ting? (General Chat) - pants, Oct 26, 11:48:23
        
        Wagwan? (n/m) (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Oct 26, 12:03:45
      - sacking crap staff members is incredibly difficult in this country (General Chat) - phrankin, Oct 26, 11:23:20
        
        How do you define 'crap'? (General Chat) - King, Oct 26, 12:43:59
        
        Not as hard as here. You have to ask permission from the council. The same (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 26, 11:36:43

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