Would you describe that as evangelism though?

Or highlighting an issue? I think maybe we are working off different interpretations of 'evangelism' though - I would see it as attempting to convert people to a particular way of thinking - and doing this whether people want to hear it or not.

I see Dawkins as proposing the flaws and dangers within political systems, informing people and encouraging them to think critically, rather than trying to 'convert' people.

Posted By: Hertz van Rental on October 25th 2011 at 16:12:43

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oh no (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 15:33:22
- You think that's bad... (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Oct 25, 17:27:11
  - ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 17:41:53
  - Elevenarife (General Chat) - Old Man, Oct 25, 17:29:16
    - I liked that too (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 25, 17:30:45
- Can't stand radical atheists. Every bit as bad as raving fundamentalists of any religion (General Chat) - Old Man, Oct 25, 17:17:46
  - ha ha, brilliant. I love it (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 17:36:16
- I don't understand why people get so worked up about how other people (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Oct 25, 15:40:43
  - Metaphysics (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Oct 25, 16:13:45
    - Lifes too short. (n/m) (General Chat) - Ken Dodds Dads Dog, Oct 25, 16:20:33
      - Not if you embrace the Lord, heathen (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 25, 16:25:59
        
        good point (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 25, 16:27:53
        
        I'll ask him when I get up there (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Oct 25, 16:29:02
      - Absolutely, live and let live (n/m) (General Chat) - Vivid Data Shark, Oct 25, 16:23:06
        
        agreed (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 16:55:57
  - I think that's what I just wanted to say really (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 15:49:53
    - wasn't finding an 'alien bible' how the mormons started? (n/m) (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 25, 16:07:10
    - Was gonna say....chill, Winston (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:52:38
      - Well, it's a bit like Roeder innit :) (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 15:53:49
        
        Not really. I know Roeder exists and have evidence that he's shit. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:58:30
        
        ha ha (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 16:00:27
  - agreed, although at this point (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 25, 15:47:01
    - But Dawkins is as bad an evangelist as the most mental religious nuts (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:47:32
      - He's such an arsehole. How dare he push reason and rational thinking down our throats. (General Chat) - mr chimp, Oct 25, 17:06:56
      - Well, he really isn't (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 15:53:49
        
        I mean, it's not like he stands on street corners, or knocks on doors etc (n/m) (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 15:55:08
        
        those fuckers use megaphones and loudspeakers here (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 25, 16:04:50
        
        In contrast though (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 16:02:51
        
        Oh don't get me wrong, the bloke you work with sounds tedious as anything (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 16:04:44
        
        That in general, is how I find it happens here (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 17:20:04
        
        He does the high-brow equivalent. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:59:09
        
        I wouldn't say that writing books evangelism really (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 16:01:09
        
        Especially books, documentaries etc which encourage people to think critically (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 16:03:11
        
        No but he does actively push atheism via methods your average Jehovah's Witness might if (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 16:05:01
        
        Well, they do have the Watchtower. I don't think he 'pushes' atheism in the same way as.. (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 16:07:36
        
        for example (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 16:09:18
        
        Would you describe that as evangelism though? (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 16:12:43
        
        Although, thinking about it, that stunt was pretty close to what I would think of as (General Chat) - Hertz van Rental, Oct 25, 16:16:17
      - he would say the difference is that there's actually evidence that he's right (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 25, 15:49:45
        
        Which is a very similar argument to a religious person. Which is why I prefer (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:52:16
        
        sounds a bit like me (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 25, 16:06:53
        
        Ha ha, anyway, sorry guys, I just needed to let that out (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 17:46:45
      - as big, not as bad. He's actually very good at it (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:47:54
  - because religious people condescend to atheists as much as vice versa (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 25, 15:44:59
    - ^^^what he said (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:47:05
      - Agreed (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Oct 25, 15:53:28
      - I agree, I would obviously be just as pissed off if I was (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 15:52:50
        
        So you're more annoyed with the repetition than the subject ? I... (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:56:22
        
        well exactly, you're not going to change someone's belief system by going on about it (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 25, 16:17:08
        
        yeah, totally. (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 16:11:32
- "team" (n/m) (General Chat) - CB41, Oct 25, 15:38:08
- He is right though (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:34:46
  - It's not really the right and wrong, or who believes what (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 15:46:59
    - Sorry, meant it from a scientific point of view, Loretta. (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:48:34
      - Loretta? (General Chat) - pants, Oct 25, 15:56:07
        
        uppercase FACT perhaps but definitely not lowercase fact (General Chat) - Ralf Scrampton, Oct 25, 16:29:25
        
        Loretta. As in you can't be a woman, and you can't have babies (where is it going to (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 16:02:18
  - who?? (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 25, 15:39:39
    - Bloke wot says God dunt exist (n/m) (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:46:50
      - oh, I thought pants was referring to tweets by an NCFC player or summat (n/m) (General Chat) - Worzel Scrimmage, Oct 25, 15:56:48
  - Warm drinks is new to me though ! I know about Mormons and caffeine... (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:35:41
    - appears to be Mormons again (General Chat) - Tricky Hawes, Oct 25, 15:39:49
      - Yeah, tea and coffee is wot I though, but I guess when they made the rules, they (General Chat) - Steve in Holland, Oct 25, 15:46:35
        
        jizz starts out warm. Allegedly. Are Mormons allowed to gargle with it... (General Chat) - Old Man, Oct 25, 17:24:17

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