I have paid some attention to this one
Succinctly:
? He is a t**t for doing it
? The Special Branch at the airport were t**ts for referring it on to Doncaster Police after sitting on it for TWO DAYS (so they obviously weren?t really concerned with it as a threat ... not surprising when the airport station manager had already classified it as a ?non-credible threat?)
? Doncaster Police were t**ts for (a) arresting him under suspicion of making a bomb hoax threat under the 1977 act (obviously it wasn't) and arresting him at work was incredibly heavy handed and (b) for then passing it to the CPS after they concluded after questioning him that there was no evidence of anything other than that he had been a t**t
? The CPS were clever by switching the charge to s127 of the Telecommunications Act 2003, since that gets away from the issue about whether he intended to make someone believe there was a bomb (the 1977 act offence). However, they are t**ts for insisting on a trial instead of giving him a caution, and they are t**ts for trying to argue that this was a strict liability offence (ie that he didn't have to THINK it was a menacing message, it was enough that it WAS menacing - there is clear House of Lords to the contrary)
? His original lawyers are t**ts for telling him to plead guilty (ie not to contest the question of whether intention is a necessary ingredient of the 2003 act)
? The Mags were sensible for allowing him to change his plea
? It then becomes a question of fact as to whether (a) the message was in fact menacing; and (b) whether he intended it to BE menacing. Both elements have to be proved. If I had been sitting I suspect I would have found that it was neither, though I feel more confident that I would have found he did not INTEND it to be menacing than that it was NOT menacing. Hard to be sure without hearing the evidence. The fact that he has gone down twice smells to me of spineless tribunals fearing the tabloid press.
? There is also a tedious legal issue about whether a tweet is a ?message? within the 2003 Act (I think it is).
So basically, there are a lot of t**ts involved in this case, plus one smart CPS lawyer
Posted By: Old Git on November 12th 2010 at 11:16:51
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- FAO: M'learned friend Old Git. (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 12, 10:42:42
- I have paid some attention to this one (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 12, 11:16:51
- So, a bit like a gay off on here then? (n/m) (General Chat) - pants, Nov 12, 11:44:29
- "... they are twats for insisting on a trial instead of giving him a caution" (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 12, 11:20:19
- No, that is right (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 12, 11:24:37
- then presumably, he could do the police for wasting their own time? (n/m) (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 12, 11:25:40
- No, that is right (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 12, 11:24:37
- Thanks OG. Interesting stuff. (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 12, 11:19:17
- Site-specific, jaffers (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 12, 11:26:43
- Good work, it certainly made the complex legal world speak to me more clearly. (n/m) (General Chat) - jafski, Nov 12, 11:30:08
- That advice just cost you ?500 (n/m) (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 12, 11:26:06
- is jafski the airport bombery blowery up guy do you reckon? (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 12, 11:27:14
- Site-specific, jaffers (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 12, 11:26:43
- All at impossible expense to the taxpayer, no doubt (n/m) (General Chat) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 12, 11:19:04
- I think the airport one was more obviously a joke than (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 12, 10:51:32
- it was a pretty shit joke though, so on reflection he deserves to go to jail (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 12, 10:55:21
- Well, maybe "joke" is the wrong word (General Chat) - duke of york, Nov 12, 11:00:29
- it was a pretty shit joke though, so on reflection he deserves to go to jail (General Chat) - Tombs, Nov 12, 10:55:21
- I see Fry has offered to cover all of Chambers' fine and costs. (General Chat) - Arizona Bay, Nov 12, 10:49:53
- I have paid some attention to this one (General Chat) - Old Git, Nov 12, 11:16:51
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