because imo the manager can make the job stable for themself

by not being rubbish

no coincidence that good employees succeed and bad ones fail

Posted By: SCC 28 on January 13th 2010 at 13:14:24

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who relegated norwich city last season iyo? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:45:03
- Fotheringham (n/m) (NCFC) - jamesward, Jan 13, 12:59:01
  - Gunn fell out with about 5 players around that time. Grudge merchant (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:00:10
    - No one is denying Gunn was a shit manager. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 13:15:42
    - name them (n/m) (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 13:10:13
- Roeder (NCFC) - 1morepost4jame_sward, Jan 13, 12:56:26
- the players and other teams (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:02:08
  - you blame other teams for being better than us? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:03:44
    - no, the question was who relegated norwich city? (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:07:14
      - yes as in blame (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:14:47
        
        Roeder obviously (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:17:33
        
        Gunns last league game line up (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:24:42
        
        one team had played an extra game than the team in 23rd place (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:42:06
        
        so to finish above all those below us (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:48:42
        
        so what? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:34:31
        
        ahem "Nobody else brought in those utter mugs to play football." (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:35:35
        
        One mug had an entire close season and season to assemble a team (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:37:37
        
        The Norwich Board effect (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:42:56
        
        The support thing is bull though, isn't it. Look at the budget each manager has had (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:46:02
        
        "but when they're the only signings possible" (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:45:44
        
        what's that got to do with what I've just said? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:45:17
        
        People buy it because it's true (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:44:38
        
        But come on - last season's loan situation was unlike anything before or since ! (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:44:13
        
        we weren't in the bottom 3 when roeder was sacked (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:39:12
        
        A bit embarrassing on soccer am when Akinbiyi was guest. Helen Chamberlain (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:44:30
        
        could you name some championship clubs that don't go through the managers (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:47:11
        
        Akinbiyi ? (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:46:53
        
        Most of Akinbye's Norwich career was under Chase anyway. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:48:49
        
        Yep. New board appointed during the 96-97 season, when Akinbiyi left. (NCFC) - Ottosson Foxtrot, Jan 13, 12:51:38
        
        the term epic fail was made for times like this then (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:52:58
        
        You mean like comparing the whole of our boards tenure with Paul Lambert? (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:58:00
        
        you said "constantly" making the club unstable to work for (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:01:26
        
        How can Lambert know if his job is stable when he's only been here 5 months (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:03:18
        
        You're spot on with that one. No way of him telling if the club is stable (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 13:05:00
        
        no manager job is stable (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:04:36
        
        no failing employee shouldn expect a stable job (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:06:13
        
        you're the only person saying that (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:00:09
        
        No you said it (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:01:39
        
        you were doing so well at posting in a grown up manner (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:03:13
        
        But you did and you are comparing the boards reign with Paul Lambert (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:05:43
        
        constant = the entire time (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:07:28
        
        You're making the point of worthy (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:09:45
        
        "your usual outnumbering democracy = correct opinion, on here" (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:14:04
        
        what does charles extending a point have to do with anything? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:12:58
        
        Because he tried to enhance something you said with something you didn't say (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:14:16
        
        Take away Worthington (which I added ages ago) then (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:18:56
        
        why did i have to say it? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:15:08
        
        Because he was replying to me about something you said (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:17:24
        
        so he's not allowed to add his own opinion (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:19:09
        
        is he on the wind up or just stupid? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:08:28
        
        Or are you 2 just going round threads together sticking up for each other? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:10:33
        
        well i disagreed with him about helveg (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:11:40
        
        So you're now saying you don't go round in 2's sticking up for each other? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:13:41
        
        no i'm saying we don't just go around sticking up for each other (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:17:33
        
        You clearly do. I'll point it again next time (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:18:35
        
        I disagree with you on almost everything (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:21:41
        
        In fact, I'm gonna bookmark this and run with it, cos they'll be plenty of mileage in it (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:27:18
        
        great, I'm looking forward to it (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:28:44
        
        Took all of 90 seconds. lol (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:39:29
        
        So am I (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:30:48
        
        Yes he does, rofl. wwwwwwwwwwwwweeeediculous (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:22:44
        
        so why did i disagree with him about helveg then? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:21:12
        
        So you're now comparing any situation you've ever had with Helveg now (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:21:55
        
        no i'm comparing you saying we always agree (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:22:53
        
        Didn't I say you go round in 2 sticking up for each other? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:28:09
        
        we agreed on something so what? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:32:24
        
        Lunacy^^^ (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:41:03
        
        ^^ infuriating (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 13:22:21
        
        how on earth can i have been (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:07:11
        
        You said they have made mistakes BUT (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 13:11:36
        
        because imo the manager can make the job stable for themself (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:14:24
        
        most of his career was shit (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:50:33
        
        Absolutely. Transfer fees were laughable ! (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:51:24
        
        yes norwich have employed some very bad managers (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:45:38
        
        Yes, and bad boards need to resign (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:58:47
        
        yes i don't have a problem with blaming the board (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 13:04:50
        
        The majority of them did. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 13:01:43
        
        so if roeder had stayed do you think we'd have stayed up? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:26:21
        
        Possibly, he did so the season before when we had 8 points in November (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:27:12
        
        he corrected someone else's mess that season tho (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:29:21
        
        Grant didn't get us relegated (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:33:13
        
        Well, he help give us the possibility, which Roeder built upon and Gunn finished (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:33:58
        
        Why didn't he carry on that form into his second season? (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:28:21
- Peter Thorne and Glenn Roeder (n/m) (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:00:33
- the Board, for appointing the wrong people and allowing them to buy the wrong players (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 11:51:46
  - since when does a board get involved in players signings (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:03:31
    - well ours have always publicly stated that they don't (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:11:18
    - They sanctioned a suicidal loan policy (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:09:57
      - Apparently Dommy was in favour of Roeder's loan policy (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:17:01
        
        "apparently" (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:20:56
        
        Yes I said apparently. Well done for picking up on that one. (n/m) (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:45:36
        
        thanks (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:48:35
        
        selwyn (n/m) (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:56:35
      - the manager can spend the money given how he likes (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:16:28
      - That would have been suicidal (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:15:14
        
        the loan policy when we signed hucks crouch and the other one (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:17:12
        
        The other two (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:20:23
  - agreed (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 11:57:47
    - That and being so stubborn until the manchester utd match, and even then he had his (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:00:15
      - Yeah, Safri and Helveg on the bench most of that season while those on the pitch (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:13:57
        
        Worthy had generally earned the right to do what he wanted imo. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:16:30
        
        Yeah I think I was more referring to him being so stubborn about it. ok if you make (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:20:20
        
        Helveg was shite (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:15:28
        
        oh my! lollage to the max (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:25:46
        
        what's funny? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:35:02
        
        I get to differ (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:18:42
        
        my memory of him was (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:20:02
        
        lol (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:28:32
        
        He was clearly 2 levels of skill above anybody else in yellow, and sometimes he (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:33:26
        
        were you back in England that season? (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:35:30
        
        No, but being in the Prem every game was on live here. (NCFC) - Steve in Holland, Jan 13, 12:37:16
        
        fair enough (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:38:33
        
        no he wasn't (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:18:37
      - yep (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:01:42
        
        or it could be that he chose to lay down a very public gauntlet to those players (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:04:02
        
        He did so when we were all but down though. Hardly a gauntlet (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:06:03
        
        They only play 38 games a season. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:09:05
        
        32 then. Too used to being in the champs (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:09:45
        
        You can look at it (and argue about it) either way. All history now. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:08:39
  - Agreed. Gunn, Grant and Roeder get their fair share of blame but ultimately (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 11:55:53
    - That's spot on. Smith & Jones deserve massive respect for appointing the new Board (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:00:36
      - who was one of their fiercest critics? (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:01:54
        
        Bowkett. Do keep up. (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:02:28
        
        what did he say? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:05:35
        
        he wrote an open letter to the club during the week after we lost to Charlton (NCFC) - Ralf Scrampton, Jan 13, 12:09:26
        
        He wrote an open letter to the EDP slating the whole running of the club (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:07:54
        
        i'll choose to believe you both then (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:19:35
        
        wasn't he also very vocal in previous AGM's etc (n/m) (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:10:23
  - the 2nd part (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:53:24
- The board (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 11:49:00
  - in what way? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:50:45
    - For constantly making bad decisions and making Norwich an unstable club to work for (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 11:53:27
      - i agree they make bad decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:55:43
        
        So you're judging the boards whole time in charge on Lambert's reign? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 11:58:36
        
        no i've already stated they make bad decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:00:19
        
        Just by saying no, doesn't mean you're not still doing it (n/m) (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:01:41
        
        how about the earlier reply (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:04:27
        
        It came with the but, which you have since 2 compared their whole reign (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:07:55
        
        no i simply said lambert doesn't find us unstable (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:13:43
        
        I made a point about the whole boards reign (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:20:20
        
        and i agreed with you saying they make bad decisions (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:25:06
        
        How can he gage how stable it is working for us when he hasn't lost many games? (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:26:33
        
        martin o'neill didn't lose many games either iirc (n/m) (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:30:53
        
        He left because we wouldn't sign the players he wanted (NCFC) - pants, Jan 13, 12:33:00
        
        You cant possibly know that though, can you? He had a budget. (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:36:17
        
        yeah it's history but we can still talk about it (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:38:20
        
        which players? (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 12:34:31
        
        Worthy didn't find us unstable (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:23:22
        
        The board pre Mclegend and Bowkett wouldn't have appointed Lamberrt (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 11:58:24
        
        who would've won us the league (n/m) (NCFC) - Charles21, Jan 13, 12:04:15
        
        exactly (n/m) (NCFC) - Yellalee, Jan 13, 12:01:01
        
        They already did that! (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 12:00:59
- glenn roeder (n/m) (NCFC) - Tony Martin, Jan 13, 11:47:42
- Roeder, Gunn, Doncaster. (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 11:47:12
  - so how do you put gunn responsible (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:48:29
    - Because he's not mother teresa, he was man who took a job on and failed miserably. (NCFC) - stringersrevenge, Jan 13, 12:14:31
    - For believing he had tha ability and putting himself forward. (n/m) (NCFC) - lurd, Jan 13, 11:54:58
      - yeah not that much different to alan shearer (NCFC) - SCC 28, Jan 13, 11:56:31

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